2dadar vs Flood/Crash

[DeletedUser]

So you deny never giving the two king kaboom villages up like you promised?

No, i dont. Buy you also know thse were supposed to be given in the process of him merging for coplaying, which never happened. That is actually the only thing we didnt been up to as for NAP agreements. And you knew of that months ago. So acti like you want ignoring it but bring up stuffs happened a couple months ago shws nothing to be honest.

So you deny us being ok with you taking in two refugees (king kaboom and visuaware) and us being ok with almost everything you do?

Other than those 2 mentioned vills, you had no right to decide anything about our side of the old NAP terms agreed border. So just shut up

You deny asking us to hit =) at the same time as you guys to prevent stacking.

Absolutely. Bring evidencies pretty please? Cause all i see is me informing you we had Ops on =) going out soon and informing you guys to prevent crossnbling. And eventually checking if you wanted to deal with them on your side of the 'once agreed upon border' or if you was letting our local members hunt them down there aswell. I'ld have been more than happy to get all of them at once, if was not for the fact several of them were around you guys and i didnt wanted end up having to noble in breach of NAP terms without asking first.

Do you deny pulling out of the merge that you once agreed with. You can say that it's because we wanted to take more members than you planned, but we reduced to 9 members and some were still in the process of merging.

I deny aswell, bring up evidencies of me stating once i had agreed on the merge for the terms you and Liam wanted (noone being left bahind and no account check evaluation on each). You can say what you like to your members to make them think they had some perspective on this world by follow your leading, but that wont make it true.

Say what you will on here you sneaky fool, but you are in denial of your crimes. Yes I messed up and plotted a counter attack against you guys, but at no point had we ever planned an op, shifter defense, or given any true thought to it. You, Locke are a coward and I am ashamed for you. At some point we have to put our foot in the sand, somebody has to stand up to the word warrior Locke. You are nothing like the real John Locke. We are waiting for you to fight a war, a real war against someone who will fight back who isn't a wounded dog.

You dude keep talk trash without reasoing. that is what took you and your whole tribe to the point you are to. Keep going, you did an awesome job so far.

 

[DeletedUser99565]

You talk trash. You run your sissy mouth on the forums then give commands to your dogs. You may a good leader, but the world is ready to see Locke in battle. The point of me even talking right now is to show you how you like to flip words and float around NAPs. For example, I know liam is the duke, but he gave me rights to our diplomacies and you agreed with the Lexy account to only keep talks about our NAP with us.

http://gyazo.com/05f602e24923c1f58ffecfffabc00376

The fact Liam failed to mention to me is your fault, as the deal was supposed to be agreed upon me and you. Since me and you never came to an agreement on your tribe nobling past the line and what not is all your fault. Liam is a busy guy and him forgetting to mention it to us, is not my fault but yours. You know you made the agreement with me and Lexy, you like Liam more than me because I'm not afraid to stand up to the big bad Locke. Say what you want about me, you were the start of anything and even when we are gone. People will realize how sly and sneaky you can be. We could ask liam but he is awol. You're doing an awesome job showing your tribe how much of a scum you are by lying and manipulating people smaller than you, then jumping on them when you know they are distracted.

Did you not also pull out of a merge with Flood, their leadership told me there was a merge happening. Either way, someone in Flood or Crash! leadership is lying here.

 

[DeletedUser]

You talk trash. You run your sissy mouth on the forums then give commands to your dogs. You may a good leader, but the world is ready to see Locke in battle. The point of me even talking right now is to show you how you like to flip words and float around NAPs. For example, I know liam is the duke, but he gave me rights to our diplomacies and you agreed with the Lexy account to only keep talks about our NAP with us.

http://gyazo.com/05f602e24923c1f58ffecfffabc00376

The fact Liam failed to mention to me is your fault, as the deal was supposed to be agreed upon me and you. Since me and you never came to an agreement on your tribe nobling past the line and what not is all your fault. Liam is a busy guy and him forgetting to mention it to us, is not my fault but yours. You know you made the agreement with me and Lexy, you like Liam more than me because I'm not afraid to stand up to the big bad Locke. Say what you want about me, you were the start of anything and even when we are gone. People will realize how sly and sneaky you can be. We could ask liam but he is awol. You're doing an awesome job showing your tribe how much of a scum you are by lying and manipulating people smaller than you, then jumping on them when you know they are distracted.

Did you not also pull out of a merge with Flood, their leadership told me there was a merge happening. Either way, someone in Flood or Crash! leadership is lying here.

Balls, that clause you screenshoted here is about expceptions on nobling across the agreed lane. It has nothing to do with NAP terms re-negotiations, which goes, with actual Duke, which was Liam at that time. Stay in your place rabid dog.

 

[DeletedUser99565]

Please me, Liam, and Red founded the tribe as equals. We had equal rights but chose liam as the figure head. Me and Lexy did most of the negotiations and Liam gave us full control of that particular diplomacy. Stay in your place, up north.

Mods please delete this thread, I can't take much more garbage from this filthy mudblood.

 

[DeletedUser]

So you first bring your peeps here throwing accusations and then when you realize you are just able to say garbage you ask for it to be closed, right. You are ridicolous.

And as we're at it, here what our sneaky moves look like:

[SPOIL]

Locke May 01, 00:00
Mail to all [ally]2dadar[/ally] members


This mail is to inform everyone that the NAP between the tribes [ally]CRASH![/ally] and [ally]2dadar[/ally] is being dropped.


The reason (in the main) for this decision is due to a substantial lack of trust towards [ally]2dadar[/ally] leadership, or at least part of it.


A while back, new terms for the NAP itself (and boundaries as for nobling) were agreed between Liam and I. Due to some miscommunication between [ally]2dadar[/ally] leaders, Lexxy was not updated on these new terms and, since then, some cross-nobling and misplaced conquers have occurred.


This is not really the point however; the issues could have been easily fixed by speaking direct to me. I could have provided evidence of the new agreed terms, and eventually come up with an amicable solution.


The point is that Lexxy’s actions were untoward to say the least! Instead of working together to find a solution, Lexxy attempted to put together a coalition with Flood and Rhythm to engage us.


This is not what I would have expected from a tribe that we have had good terms with for a long time without any previous issues. This basically killed all the trust we had towards you guys.


We will stick to our word given. We have maintained the terms of the original and mdified NAP and even given the circumstances, will continue to do so.


Therefore, given this announcement of the NAP being dropped, dated May 01, 00:00:01 ST, no attacks will occur towards you guys for a 48 hour time frame, as previously agreed for NAP cancelation clause.


We of course reserve the right to act differently in the event you do not honour the agreement and attack any member of [ally]CRASH![/ally] within the 48 hour time frame.


From May 03, 00:00:01 ST the NAP will be officially and fully dropped.


Regards
[player]Locke[/player] for [ally]CRASH![/ally]

[/SPOIL]

Those stuffs are rarities nowadays on TW.

Oh yeah, really sneaky giving you a 48 hours notice, as for the NAP itself cancelation clause would include. All the reasoning about why it has been dropped, well we wont ever agree upon, but is a huge fail in between 2dadar leadership and you know this. So, keep going with accusation but the whole point is: we're dropping the nap and doing it in the most fair manner i could think of, giving the 48 hours notice and not any attack will be sent till then. A NAP is a NAP and if it has cancelation clause means any of the tribe has the right to drop it given the clause is respeted. Game on. Cant wait to free up w78 from your presence.

And as we're at it, this prominent leader i been speaking with about the NAP re-negotiation came up with this over a month ago:

[SPOIL][28/03/2015 20.58.31] Locke John: You guys been kinda nobling in k67 only since a while on
[28/03/2015 20.58.51] Locke John: which makes totally sense
[28/03/2015 20.58.58] Locke John: considering the 4A removal
[28/03/2015 20.59.07] Liam Bowler: We are making an effort to control K67, pushing to the rim
[28/03/2015 20.59.11] Locke John: and now this Aura matter is likely to bring your attention down there even further
[28/03/2015 20.59.25] Locke John: i was wondering if we could re-define k57 agreement
[28/03/2015 20.59.32] Locke John: fact is, we're about to engage
[28/03/2015 20.59.39] Liam Bowler: Engage who?
[28/03/2015 20.59.51] Locke John: =)
[28/03/2015 21.00.10] Liam Bowler: Ironically, me and Chris have discussed exactly that today
[28/03/2015 21.00.20] Locke John: well is a matter of priorities i guess
[28/03/2015 21.00.23] Locke John: i mean
[28/03/2015 21.00.52] Locke John: i see hardly you guys both ensafing k67
[28/03/2015 21.01.03] Locke John: and being down to a big effort against =)
[28/03/2015 21.01.26] Liam Bowler: Well, they have a handful of members in our vicinity we are certainly looking to remove
[28/03/2015 21.01.49] Locke John: yeah
[28/03/2015 21.02.10] Locke John: that could be good, still i'm looking for a bit more flexible boundary
[28/03/2015 21.02.20] Locke John: not like i'm asking to allow us to move straight in your direction
[28/03/2015 21.02.31] Liam Bowler: Okay, whats your proposal then?
[28/03/2015 21.02.32] Locke John: you would be left with expansion space in proximity
[28/03/2015 21.02.57] Locke John: but as for S-E of k57 i wont deny would be really handy for us to be able to move in
[28/03/2015 21.03.07] Locke John: as you may have noticed Liii started up a cluster in k68
[28/03/2015 21.03.12] Liam Bowler: Yeh I have seen that
[28/03/2015 21.03.15] Locke John: which, tbh, wasnt agreed and is a bit meh
[28/03/2015 21.03.32] Locke John: i made sure he wont move west from there
[28/03/2015 21.03.40] Locke John: but just stay on it and eventually move North in k58
[28/03/2015 21.03.45] Liam Bowler: Well, it was a bit odd but I was happy to leave it
[28/03/2015 21.04.02] Locke John: still i'ld love to be allowed to ind move that way
[28/03/2015 21.04.06] Locke John: let me draw a map
[28/03/2015 21.04.18] Liam Bowler: Go for it
[28/03/2015 21.04.54] Liam Bowler: There are, at a guess, 20 villages of =) below the currently agreed line
[28/03/2015 21.06.06] Locke John: quite a lot more actually
[28/03/2015 21.06.17] Locke John: they also have several players in k67
[28/03/2015 21.06.22] Liam Bowler: Ah yeh, there are a number in K6 too
[28/03/2015 21.06.25] Liam Bowler: 67*
[28/03/2015 21.06.44] Locke John: also one thing Worth mentioning and asking about
[28/03/2015 21.06.51] Locke John: did president business came to you?
[28/03/2015 21.06.58] Liam Bowler: Okay, let me narrow that down, there is around 20 between North 562 and 590
[28/03/2015 21.07.10] Locke John: he asked to join us but him having several vills across current bundaries i kinda putted him on hold
[28/03/2015 21.07.10] Liam Bowler: I have been speaking to him on and off
[28/03/2015 21.07.28] Liam Bowler: Well, King Kaboom still has 3 below the line also which I let slide
[28/03/2015 21.07.31] Locke John: but he did mention he was in speech with you so i just told him to speak you straight lol
[28/03/2015 21.07.51] Liam Bowler: Yeh we have spoken about him joining you but nothing about cross border villages
[28/03/2015 21.08.42] Locke John: i'll add him to map
[28/03/2015 21.08.50] Locke John: http://twsmap.com/mapservice/en78?&ti0=209&tc0=ffdd00&ti1=4551&tc1=0000ff&ti2=8953&tc2=000000&ti3=8036&tc3=ff0000&pi0=10232495&pc0=00ffcc&zoom=500&centrex=750&centrey=600&fill=000000&grid=1&kn=1&bm=1
[28/03/2015 21.08.58] Locke John: this is how current map looks like
[28/03/2015 21.09.05] Liam Bowler: Yeh got it
[28/03/2015 21.09.12] Locke John: aura is black
[28/03/2015 21.09.14] Liam Bowler: Red is =)
[28/03/2015 21.09.15] Locke John: =) is red
[28/03/2015 21.09.20] Locke John: light blue is president
[28/03/2015 21.09.23] Liam Bowler: We're blue, your yellow, got it
[28/03/2015 21.09.27] Liam Bowler: Yeh I see
[28/03/2015 21.09.49] Liam Bowler: Aura has more than I had noticed. Hmm
[28/03/2015 21.10.08] Locke John: yes they been nobling everywhere, and fast too
[28/03/2015 21.10.12] Locke John: right in the middle of you
[28/03/2015 21.10.30] Locke John: So, assuming that
[28/03/2015 21.10.31] Liam Bowler: Hmmm, food for thought
1. I may have interest on letting president in
[28/03/2015 21.10.49] Locke John: 2. we want to engagé =) fairly soon
[28/03/2015 21.11.21] Locke John: 3. your attetion may be took more and more to k67 by Aura presence, 4A leftover removals and eventually =) itself
[28/03/2015 21.11.46] Locke John: i'ld like to ask if we could be moving from current position toward the K57 S-E corner to meet up with Liii presence there
[28/03/2015 21.12.01] Locke John: basically bordering current president vills
[28/03/2015 21.12.46] Liam Bowler: Hmmm, okay, let me have a think
[28/03/2015 21.12.55] Locke John:http://i.gyazo.com/e5ed49b249001e9a12d57762aa2b830d.png
[28/03/2015 21.13.02] Locke John: very raw draw of what i meant
[28/03/2015 21.13.18] Liam Bowler: Yeh okay, that map paints a picture I am happy to agree with
[28/03/2015 21.13.31] Liam Bowler: K67 however, is ours
[28/03/2015 21.13.42] Locke John: we wont enter it at all
[28/03/2015 21.14.32] Liam Bowler: In terms of =) targets south of the currently agreed line, I think what is best is that you guys name either individual villages or players you wish to target that violate that line and I will, on a case by case basis, allow or discuss further. So we both know where we stand
[28/03/2015 21.16.00] Liam Bowler: As for President Business, I am happy to allow him to maintain his villages, provided he doesn't attempt to grow towards us, and follows the line dictated by your diagram
[28/03/2015 21.17.04] Liam Bowler: Regards =) . I am happy to plan our offense to coordinate with yours, so if you guys are putting together an initial strike package, let me know the dates and we will begin ours also
[28/03/2015 21.17.56] Locke John: basically as for =) target we may, at most, go as deep against them as are vills belonging to Sir Michael Ralph
[28/03/2015 21.18.01] Locke John: and some of Gem beuty ones
[28/03/2015 21.18.22] Locke John: if you mark them on your map highlight should be immediate to perceive what i'm speaking of
[28/03/2015 21.18.37] Locke John: those are along the purple lane i drawn
[28/03/2015 21.18.42] Liam Bowler: Happy with that, if you guys just drop me a message with the villages individually that violate and I will most likely allow it. I have marked them on my map
[28/03/2015 21.19.23] Locke John: IR1337
[28/03/2015 21.19.31] Locke John: those are on your side
[28/03/2015 21.19.37] Locke John: i'm happy as long as they are taken
[28/03/2015 21.19.46] Locke John: not necessarly by us
[28/03/2015 21.20.13] Locke John: K57-0017 (740|566) K57 we may go for it, mostly to keep having visuaware on that front
[28/03/2015 21.20.15] Liam Bowler: I'll send you a message in game, as certainly one of IR1337's I want us to keep
[28/03/2015 21.20.29] Locke John: make it easier
[28/03/2015 21.20.33] Locke John: all of them you can take
[28/03/2015 21.20.39] Locke John: i may include just K57-0017 (740|566) K57
[28/03/2015 21.20.42] Locke John: on our op
[28/03/2015 21.20.55] Liam Bowler: You can have that one, happy with that
[28/03/2015 21.21.20] Locke John: as i told is mostly about keeping an access for visua to the front
[28/03/2015 21.21.36] Locke John: and give him some actual target instead than bonus vills (facepalm)
[28/03/2015 21.21.40] Liam Bowler: K57-0022 (741|572) K57 You can also have, but anything further than that is our
[28/03/2015 21.21.54] Liam Bowler: Haha, that guy loves his barbs, he's like a shit Tudadar
[28/03/2015 21.26.48] Locke John: so i can post in forum new terms?
[28/03/2015 21.27.57] Liam Bowler: Yes, however to stop people taking the piss with the border (as it doesn't have defined terms), can we agree that approval should be seeked by me to ensure I am happy with it/avoid cross nobling
[28/03/2015 21.30.09] Liam Bowler: We will use your map as a guide, and I am happy to be lenient on certain elements, I would just rather have eyes on any plans, as I thoroughly intend on moving up to that line, and frankly I am sick of dealing with cross nobling with DKS[/SPOIL]

That also answer to most of your lies about =), our nobling across the lane etc..

 

[DeletedUser99565]

Locke you act like you are going to do anything... once again your tribe will be doing the work attacking a dead horse. Beating us is no accomplishment. You have nothing to be proud of. You and your tribe haven't fought a proper war and I'm starting to get the feeling you are scared. We will lose yes, but that's not the point. You sent that message out to our tribe but what does it prove? Nothing other than you didn't want to declare with Flood so the world thinks you're not in cahoots, but in fact they are in your pocket and you know it.

The Lexy Roxx account may be gone soon, but whose to say I will? I'll be on another account coming for you. It may even be one in Crash!

 

[DeletedUser]

Is not like we came here in external about bragging we was accomplishing anything great. Check out the first topic here, wasnt me posting, nor we even declared a war. All that proves is we gave warning on NAP cancelation and that is all it was supposed to be prove. You call for us breaking the NAP sneakly. Well is not the case and as long as a NAP has a cancelation clause is fully my right to use it, whatever reason you may want to read behind it or try convince your members about. And that mail i sent to your tribe was to make everyone aware of it being dropped and it being done right as quite obviously you cant communicate in between your leadership and your members. Now everyone knows of it and i'm sure of it and noone can claim it was done disregarding the clause

Yes please take over an account closer to me

 

[DeletedUser99565]

you said you can't wait to free the world of my presence as if YOU are going to do a damn thing but sit there with that whore smirk on your face telling yourself you did a good job and deserve an double-stuffed oreo. PS: What is dead may never die, I won't tell you which account I'll be you can figure out yourself. Also PS None of my members posted this either that I know of, I've never heard of that account.
The fact is you're trying to make it seem like I was the one who caused the NAP, because I stood up to you. You don't like to be stood up to. Yes there was a miscommunication between leadership, but not just internal. Between different tribes too. You gave a warning ooh great. But you guys wanted to strike with Flood but pulled out because you want to convince people you're not working together, I don't have proof but you know that's true.

Honestly you guys probably have been preparing for weeks, maybe months, maybe even years for this. The fact is neither of us have done shit this world, you're greatest accomplishment was kicking WTTD and nobling him out. Congrats. Also for the record I came to you to "apologize" and hope to restart a new with no harsh feelings in future worlds, but that's out the window

 

[DeletedUser]

Also PS None of my members posted this either that I know of, I've never heard of that account.

Nor i did, but was you and your members posting on the thread throwing accusations, not us. If you expect you can come lie in external withut an answer, well you are wrong.

But you guys wanted to strike with Flood but pulled out because you want to convince people you're not working together, I don't have proof but you know that's true.

And you could have none cause that's just another of your lies.

Honestly you guys probably have been preparing for weeks, maybe months, maybe even years for this.

We been preparing since when i got this forwarded showing you preferred go try check for gangbang chances instead than come to us to solve issues.

Note, since when i got to know, not since when it was originally messaged. You do this and do not expect it could hit you back?

Also for the record I came to you to "apologize" and hope to restart a new with no harsh feelings in future worlds, but that's out the window

Oh noes, now i'm soooo sad

 

[DeletedUser99565]

You are making an ass of yourself. I've been preparing defense against you guys is the truth. You're just proving my point that we had no plans to attack you and until you prove we had plans to mount an OFFENSE against you guys, your words fly past me. You should be sad, you talk down to those you feel have no chance against you. You're not a very nice person mr. locke, you are on santa claus's naughty list and you will be getting some coal this year. Your skype profile is a paddle probably because your buttox needs a spank or 7.

Also this proves another one of my points, you got Flood in your back pocket, but you won't have pockets forever. One day that ass of yours is gonna get ripped a new one, but you won't be able to recover. However, I got an ass that don't quit baby boy. (yes that's me in my avi)

I've made friends with many in this world and I play for more than just the wins, learn to laugh and enjoy yourself. You have played the game well in your terms, but you trying to prove your points but prove mine.

 

[DeletedUser]

Where i did ever tried to prove you was putting up a 'OFFENSE' against us? I'm just saying that if your first reaction on some issues arising around some NAP terms (based on wrong ones btw, as you wasnt informed on the new terms agreed) is to go check who you could bring into a gangbang 'in case', instead than try clarify the situation (cause you never even tried to), well that is not a solid base making the NAP worth keeping. Period.

And i guess Flood played their cards by forwarding me this convo. They already knew we had some issues and as they obviously wanted to hit on you guys was fully their interest letting me know. No need to figure 'hold-in-pockets' scenario around this, it just come natural.

 

[DeletedUser99565]

How can I come talk to you when you have ignored me in the past and multiple people have hinted or straight up said you don't like me or my playing style. I stand up for what I believe in. Idc who you are. I don't care if you don't respect me or don't trust me. My members of my tribe do and even if we go down I made some great friends on this world who we didn't want to leave behind. That was 2dadar's true down fall, unwilling to leave respected friends behind and to say you can't trust me and that I'm unreliable. I am faithful to who I want to be to. I would never betray someone because what happens to them is what happens to black lotus. Any way you haven't proved much lol, but you do you booboo.

 

[DeletedUser]

Well anyhow, this ran into a convo in between me and you pretty much, i guess we may aswell stop spamming external for a duo convo lol.

NAP is dropped with 48 hours notice.

Rest are opinions.

No point on posting further as seems noone else care lol

 

[DeletedUser99565]

It seems 19 others browsing this thread care. Plus things were getting saucy.

 

[DeletedUser102496]

Best of luck to both sides

I'll start posting stats by the 4th May to update everyone :icon_wink:

 

[DeletedUser]

Aw do we have to? I don't wanna be one of those jerks in a war publicised on the forums, where everyone posts boring crap and no one gives a damn anyway.

 

[DeletedUser102496]

Oh come on, W78 Forums are nearly dead anyways - a few stats and some piccies could lighten the place up :icon_razz:

 

[DeletedUser99565]

How about I adopt you and give you a name sassy boy ;P

 

[DeletedUser102496]

How about I adopt you and give you a name sassy boy ;P

What would you have in mind first? :lol:

 

[DeletedUser]

I'll throw my two pence worth in and I'll keep it brief; I don't feel it necessary to trawl through every point made here and justify each and every one - It would take an age and frankly its now the weekend in my eyes!

I will, however, defend one statement made above;

I have been accused of trying to arrange a "gangbang" (I hate that term, I prefer coalition);

My response?

Yep, I did. Not even going to try and deny it. I have had several conversations with Locke over Skype and generally speaking it is light hearted despite tensions and whatever else was currently happening, I even told him I had attempted to put a contingency plan in to place should the NAP be dropped.

Locke had, and he won't deny this, said that the NAP was only still in place because of one or two reasons (respect mutually between myself and Locke being the most poignant of these). Now that, given our relative size and location, concerned me.

So, as would any animal presented with a threat, I looked at my potential options. I won't deny that I approached several angles to attempt to ensure a level of security moving forward.

This has, it would appear, backfired in somewhat dramatic fashion!

As for the conflicting opinions on NAP adjustments;

Well, I'll accept a good level of fault on this part. Myself and Locke had had several conversations with reference to adjusting the NAP and nobling boundaries. I bent over backwards to appease CRASH! knowing full well that the NAP was somewhat delicate and compromised pretty honestly and beyond fairly in my opinion.

I allowed the recruitment of President Business despite its heavy contradiction of, at the time, current boundaries. CRASH! nobled in to K68 (admittedly we had no agreement on K68 - It had not even been discussed) and Locke requested an adjustment to the NAP to allow a connection down to there K68 villages. Reluctantly I allowed this also.

I think I have been more than fair and willing with regards to relations with both Locke and CRASH! as a whole. Admittedly I accept that I have mis-communicated information to my guys on occasion and this has caused a few issues - 99.9% of which have been dealt with pretty quickly and efficiently.

As for Flood;

Well, the way the Lotus/TrageDD situation was dealt with was pretty poor in truth. I am not want to accuse anyone of manipulation of individuals but frankly they were lied to.

Those accounts would never, ever have been sacrificed as was accused as part of any potential merge, and to suggest as much was a blatent attempt to disrupt and unsettle those individuals. I am genuinely disappointed and to an extent saddened that those accounts have been stitched up in such a manner and should I have been here this week (I have been away since last Sunday) I would have endeavored to maintain and even protect those accounts.

Liam