Circle of Hope

[DeletedUser47572]

Think this answers all of your tribes there mustachio man.

Swat at war with
CCh at war
CCH2 at war
RIM at war
Cops at war
Smile at war

Mal we have the occasional skirmish with but generally nothing major going on there seeing as RIM betrayed them I would guess they like us more than the other side at the moment.

W$ Seems to be mainly ex RIM players however I have spoke to some of them there and they seem happy to be away from warrior, the only reason we fought any of the RIM players was because of warrior. We stay out of each others way and are engaged in no direct conflict.
TE will not war at all healthy respect of one another.
Who? Not at war and won't be going to at all.
P.S won't join in against MM we actually like one another and work well together
B52 won't war us we get well together
Phat same as above.

 

[DeletedUser]

what would bush do? there not part of the triangle!!!

 

[DeletedUser94707]

[spoil]

1 -MM- 39.119.217 45.003.001 57 789.526 4879 9.224

It is based on my limited knowlegde

Tribes that are already at war with -MM-.

4 -SWAT- 26.791.996 30.448.463 52 585.547 3430 8.877
8 CCH 14.577.097 15.936.878 57 279.594 1763 9.040
10 RIM 9.622.550 10.445.849 51 204.821 1287 8.116
13 WHO? 8.203.317 8.519.679 48 177.493 1010 8.435
14 Cops 7.635.311 7.755.825 44 176.269 973 7.971
38 CCH2 1.729.042 1.729.042 29 59.622 246 7.029

total point of all the above tribes = 74.832.000


Tribes that are probably join in the war against -MM-.


7 P.S. 18.479.902 20.732.034 56 370.215 2368 8.755
11 Smile 9.175.337 9.358.907 43 217.649 1138 8.224
12 T.E. 8.803.745 8.803.745 38 231.678 1014 8.682
17 MAL 6.595.745 6.769.281 46 147.158 829 8.166
20 W$ 4.154.977 4.154.977 26 159.807 508 8.179
25 FLIP 3.274.864 3.274.864 37 88.510 433 7.563

total point of all the above tribes = 53.090.000

Tribes that might help the those tribes that fight -MM-.

2 Bush 28.922.054 35.741.556 60 595.693 3952 9.044
3 B52s 27.909.113 29.969.755 51 587.642 3266 9.176
5 Phat 25.189.493 25.189.493 24 1.049.562 2721 9.257

total point of all the above tribes = 90.899.000

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Is your purpose on this world to annoy the crap out of me? The avatar is awful enough without you posting this crap. Seriously, I got to turn around to make sure your not there.

To the point, Your facts are mostly wrong. What makes you think we are not allied with all of them? or that we are all NAP'ed with them?

 

[DeletedUser]

I have been quite fair to -SWAT- so far but I think using Hicut's villages to manipulate the stats is "unfair". Even though it doesn't really matter because like I said in 2 weeks time 20 villages will be pocket change but at this point it is intentional manipulation. Can't really stop you doing it though so go ahead

I do, however, think it is fair to include any kicked members.

 

[DeletedUser97381]

It's sad you have so little faith in your tribe.

you seem to have completely misunderstood me mr :icon_cool:


@fanged as long as hicut was part of MM when war started, it is only logical for the account to be part of that "kicked members" group you mention.

 

[DeletedUser]

Yes, but he was both banned and undefendable. Sure enough if it was an inactive account like Starthle - the other account you have noblings against. It was inactive and it is our fault for having inactives.

But when Hicut clears his villages for you, mails you to take his vills and then gets himself purposely banned from the game it is hard to defend him - so dissmissal is the only option.

Like I say - I can't make you so whatever makes you feel better but it actually unvalidates your real stats so does more harm than good.

Not sure why you want to sway the stats when you're already in the lead.

 

[DeletedUser97381]

you don't have your facts straight fanged, hicut villas were cleared and taken, they were not gifted. swat took in alot of hicut villas before the war too, why didn't you kick him then? don't make up excuses just for the heck of it.

as for the star account, it was sat, so there's absolutely no way you can say it wasn't defended. that's simply unacceptable.


and I mentioned it several times already, 32-5 or 38-5 makes no difference, I only put hicut there to show that accounts that are kicked, will be included in stats.

 

[DeletedUser47572]

Makes no sense to me swaying the stats at all you are winning even I the most argumentative person here would say yes you are winning gratz on taking the early lead. But when you screw the stats to stroke your e-penis it just looks silly.

I mean I could do it.

Side 1:
Tribes: -MM-
Side 2:
Tribes: Cops, -SWAT-, RIM, CCH, CCH2

Timeframe: 19/03/2011 15:48:00 to 22/03/2011 10:18:16

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 41
Side 2: 35
Difference: 6

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 327,220
Side 2: 319,924
Difference: 7,296

I am entirely justified putting all those tribes in there you are all in a coalition and you have diplomatic relations with them all, they are all listed as allies for you now.

But they mean nothing other than MM when you look at the tribes we have to fight are still ahead since the time of your declaration, and that is not including all of the tribe we are fighting hell I could throw smile in there and get an extra few conquers for our side.

Lets keep the stats nice and simple shall we SWAT and Cops on one side -MM- on the other. Manual time from 19-03-2011 15:48:57.

you don't have your facts straight fanged, hicut villas were cleared and taken, they were not gifted. swat took in alot of hicut villas before the war too, why didn't you kick him then? don't make up excuses just for the heck of it.

as for the star account, it was sat, so there's absolutely no way you can say it wasn't defended. that's simply unacceptable.


and I mentioned it several times already, 32-5 or 38-5 makes no difference, I only put hicut there to show that accounts that are kicked, will be included in stats.

Hicut wrote to you telling you to take his villages he told me so, he then got himself permanently banned for being stupid basically.

Given that your duke was discussing with me the Hicut villages and we had come to an agreement of sorts over them they were not war spoils whatsoever. War stats are based on the time of the declaration of war plain and simple nothing more nothing less. So they were gifted they were gifted by me as he asked if you could move into there, I wasn't happy about it yet because my hands were tied I agreed that we should have a border.

I didn't kick him then because we were still talking then and while you duke was lying to me and being deceitful, planning wars against us and wanting to stab us in the back. I the fool believed him and dealt with him as such. If you have issue with it go find the liar in your tribe and ask him.

He didn't say that the star account was undefended he said it was inactive there is a difference please read I really do think that you could possibly be an intelligent poster if you just put some more thought into what you said.

 

[DeletedUser97381]

oh? did you change your definition of family dave?

[spoil]MM FirestormFenix Left 18th February 2011 - 21:08 101,706
DA FirestormFenix Joined 20th February 2011 - 22:08 104,965
and nobled out by MM afterwards

MM Barros86 Left 24th January 2011 - 02:10 47,240
DA Barros86 Joined 14th February 2011 - 05:08 70,227

DA fonzie11 Left 07th March 2011 - 09:11 336,427
MM fonzie11 Joined 07th March 2011 - 09:11 336,427

MM SupremeComander Left 04th March 2011 - 20:11 313,424
DA SupremeComander Joined 04th March 2011 - 20:11 313,424

MM Near River Left 04th March 2011 - 19:11 391,714
DA Near River Joined 04th March 2011 - 19:11 391,714[/spoil]

straight out of DA's profile:
[spoil]Bashing for -MM-
since 2011[/spoil]

from a DA member on this very thread:
[spoil]

and why SWAT declare on DA too? what did we d... oh rite, we're the bashers

[/spoil]



you didn't have 10% of this information when you called smile rim's family :icon_confused:


honestly, I'm not trying to annoy you or play around with stats, I am trying to keep things fair. ~DA~ is your basher tribe and will be included in the stats, so will any member you or swat kicks when under attack. You are free ofc to post stats as you would like to post them, but I will be updating the stats as they are.


edit (saw dave's other post)

I didn't kick him then because we were still talking then and while you duke was lying to me and being deceitful, planning wars against us and wanting to stab us in the back. I the fool believed him and dealt with him as such. If you have issue with it go find the liar in your tribe and ask him.

yes, but this was not deceitful or back stabbing at all. As far as we were concerned we were already at war, so it was a strategically smart move. Take the hicut villas and then move on to other targets, doing otherwise would have been stupid. (the pnp was already being prepared by that time)

I was unaware of hicut contacting anyone, so I could be wrong about that tho.

In any case, us finding out you reduced us to a nap without telling us (and denying it also) and reading that msg of yours, meant we were no longer on the same page. I said this before, arguing about it is pointless. the matter of fact is, you did write that msg, so the mistake was on your part, even if it was not something you intended to do immediately or in the near future, I understand you don't see it that way, but you need to understand that we do.

 

[DeletedUser47572]

DA are a basher tribe thats it that does not preclude a family tribe. In fact that argument is ridiculous. Are you telling me that you don't have any morale bashers? Shall we include all of them in the stats.

DA was created so that the morale bashers were all in one tribe they could then be marked on the map so everyone knew they were not to be attacked as one player may be a basher for player A but player B knows nothing about it and ends up attacking basher.

I didn't reduce you to a NAP I did not reduce you what is it that you don't get about that. No we were not already at war if we were at war there would have been a declaration.

It was deceitful it was back stabbing it was a lie. If that wasn't and was just "smart" then I must be a genius.

 

[DeletedUser]

as for the star account, it was sat, so there's absolutely no way you can say it wasn't defended. that's simply unacceptable

I didnt say it was. I actually was on YOUR side with that throughout the thread. Go back and check

 

[DeletedUser97381]

hmmm dave, did you read the blog? where you say you did reduce us ... and you thought you didn't need to tell us? :icon_confused:


as long as DA is a tribe where you send ppl to internal them, which you have done with at least one of those members, then those villas are part of MM, like I said, you put in tribes together for far less. you can't choose when to include tribes and when not to according to how it affects your stats.

~DA~ use their nukes for MM, they are under the protection of MM, they exchange members with MM, I won't call them a family (coz I don't think they are), but taking villas from them is the same as taking villas from you. like I said, you are free to post stats differently than I do.

 

[DeletedUser47572]

Yes I should have really been more clear. I never saw the need to make you allies because of your conduct actually mainly yours.

As such you were never downgraded to a NAP.

 

[DeletedUser97381]

lol dave, you should have made that clear indeed.

based on just that, I think everyone can tell who was deceiving who


just if anyone missed what was written in the blog:
[spoil]What is alarming is that -MM- did not inform -SWAT- of the change – according to Lavrikan3, “[Borg1966] never put us as allies, despite telling me personally we were.” Borg1966 admitted that he had not seen it necessary to inform -SWAT- of the change.

“[The switch was made] for many reasons, mainly the conduct of -SWAT- towards us both upon the external forums and the manner in which their **** of a duke spoke to me; bringing up every single tiny issue about nobling, continents and such like, whilst completely ignoring anything I had to say… They didn’t help us in one single thing; there was no point in an alliance, allies actually help one another and don’t needlessly flame the other tribe on external forums.” –Borg1966[/spoil]

 

[DeletedUser]

In other news, CCH have gotten off to an appalling start. -MM- nukes are catching their nukes just sitting in their villages. I have 4 applications for spying/recruitment from their members already and in their "op" against us they lost 550k ODD worth of troops and failed to take a single village.

Considering theirs actually WAS a sneak attack (no declaration, the official ingame dec came after their attacks launched) that is truly appalling.

Luckily we have -SWAT- to pose an actual challenge xD

 

[DeletedUser]

Yes I should have really been more clear. I never saw the need to make you allies because of your conduct actually mainly yours.

As such you were never downgraded to a NAP.

so you didnt tell me dave we were allies ? stop lying dave your lying through the skin of your teeth to make your tribe look like they can be trusted well with you at the helm the whole of w52 knows that they cant trust you.

In other news, CCH have gotten off to an appalling start. -MM- nukes are catching their nukes just sitting in their villages. I have 4 applications for spying/recruitment from their members already and in their "op" against us they lost 550k ODD worth of troops and failed to take a single village.

Considering theirs actually WAS a sneak attack (no declaration, the official ingame dec came after their attacks launched) that is truly appalling.

Luckily we have -SWAT- to pose an actual challenge xD

well i would more say it was you trying to recruit not you personally but your tribe after that shameful mail that your tribe mass mailed to CCH times are that desperate already fanged ?

 

[DeletedUser47572]

As they can trust you? Really? After you lied repeatedly again and again and whilst we were honoring a NAP and showing no signs of hostility you planned your attacks on us based on one mail which has made you look like fools now.

Those that need to trust us trust us already, we have great relations with them they act as NAP's and allies should unlike you now go sell a window.

Edit to add to Randerfails above post.

PnP is part of the game maybe you just don't get that, or maybe you don't realize by you demanding klmatt go into a war that all of her members may not have supported such a move. Which by the way they don't and it is now fantastic to know that you formed a coalition with a number of tribes all designed to attack MM that must have taken quite some time to preclude and arrange.

 

[DeletedUser]

As they can trust you? Really? After you lied repeatedly again and again and whilst we were honoring a NAP and showing no signs of hostility you planned your attacks on us based on one mail which has made you look like fools now.

Those that need to trust us trust us already, we have great relations with them they act as NAP's and allies should unlike you now go sell a window.

Edit to add to Randerfails above post.

PnP is part of the game maybe you just don't get that, or maybe you don't realize by you demanding klmatt go into a war that all of her members may not have supported such a move. Which by the way they don't and it is now fantastic to know that you formed a coalition with a number of tribes all designed to attack MM that must have taken quite some time to preclude and arrange.

dave you sent the mail not me if you didnt write that mail you would not of had this problem you only have yourself to blame before that mail dave he had ok relations i would say that mail sealed your fatethough and the diplomacy issue.

why not answer my question about the alliance dave ?

[04/02/2011 15:51:55][30/01/2011 23:25:07] Dave: hit me up tomorrow would like to talk to you about making it a full alliance

[04/02/2011 15:51:44] Dave: Yes I think that we are both going to have to go west at some point when we solidify our areas

[04/02/2011 15:51:55] Dave: as such I think we would be better off as allies than a NAP

[04/02/2011 15:52:12] robert anderson: definately

[23/02/2011 17:07:50] robert anderson: also
[23/02/2011 17:08:05] robert anderson: has our diplomacy been updated on your end as an alliance ?
[23/02/2011 17:08:12] Dave: yes
[23/02/2011 17:08:24] robert anderson: ok cool

is this false info also dave ?

 

[DeletedUser]

well i would more say it was you trying to recruit not you personally but your tribe after that shameful mail that your tribe mass mailed to CCH times are that desperate already fanged ?

We're exploiting their weaknesses with PnP mails. Their people are disloyal and have no desire to fight a war they WILL lose and we know it. Hence the mail.

And where in that mail did we promise to recruit them?

 

[DeletedUser]

We're exploiting their weaknesses with PnP mails. Their people are disloyal and have no desire to fight a war they WILL lose and we know it. Hence the mail.

And where in that mail did we promise to recruit them?

the mail was pretty lame fanged but thats my opinion especially the same day as they declared

also that mail with dave saying he will attack us look at this here is dave saying he will attack an old ally in NiNi a pattern is happening here and its not a good one for -MM- that there leader seems to disrepect allies and keeps wanting to attack them.

[5:36:17 PM] Dave: then nini may become my next target
[5:36:24 PM] Dave: but thats a good 4 months away
[5:37:22 PM] Blitzkrieg: i have no problem with that

and also if you say we were always on bad terms then why did your tribe ask us to take out rawr mode when he was suspected of spying ?

[01/02/2011 20:11:31] Blitzkrieg: i need your help with a K37 member
[01/02/2011 20:11:48] robert anderson: which k37 member ?
[01/02/2011 20:11:53] Blitzkrieg: Rawr mode
[01/02/2011 20:12:03] robert anderson: lol
[01/02/2011 20:12:08] robert anderson: whats he done now haha
[01/02/2011 20:12:09] Blitzkrieg: this morning he has been suspected of spying for RIM
[01/02/2011 20:12:27] Blitzkrieg: We want you to plan him a going away party
[01/02/2011 20:12:34] Blitzkrieg: can your tribe do this?
[01/02/2011 20:12:48] Blitzkrieg: my boys cannot reach him
[01/02/2011 20:12:59] Blitzkrieg: only 2 of them can
[01/02/2011 20:13:16] robert anderson: lol
[01/02/2011 20:13:31] robert anderson: man i seriously doubt rawr is a spy
[01/02/2011 20:13:35] robert anderson: hes just not like that

funny how i have more faith in your members than you do :icon_rolleyes: