Offical Ginger responce to the drama llamas:
Neither of you can claim the downfall of Ginger as your own, I am afraid it boils down to decisions made by myself, and Shlomzi.
Declaring although unavoidable was our downfall. Not because their skill and war ability shocked us to our core, god no, but because it was a war we simply could not win. Since my very first post in this thread I said the same thing. There is no way a tribe with 700 villages can noble 1700 villages, no matter the skill.
Sure we could over time, but it would have been a long, long time. Our players were impatient, as was our leadership and we wanted to see results faster than game mechanics could go.
We hit an inactivity patch, one I knew we wouldnt come out of, but regardless tried to fix. I offered a NAP to RL, my intent was to focus internally kill off inactives, noble the K tribes, and focus on building relations with surrounding tribes. Yes, despite the NAP RL would have been our prime target.
After more time wore on, an RL op appeared. Alot of members showed there true colours here asking for support despite only handful of attacks. Then alot of sits were dumped on me, due to RL (real life - some of you may have heard of it) I simply couldnt take them. This led to a few disgruntled members.
While the op went on, SCUM declared on us. While geographically it made sense, diplomatically it didnt. They claim whatever they wish about there reasons, I was sicked to see yet another tribe was without a spine. Looking for easy villages to feast upon. Regardless of what is said, if Ginger had gotten the NAP with RL, there would be no declaration from SCUM or they would have got a coalition together, challenges and fair fights are above some people.
After a bit of drama, I advised my players to leave, no one was dismissed. Its in their best interests to find a new home, as ginger is/was crumbling.
We could have fought RL for much longer, no ground would have been gained. perhaps they would have led in stats by a little, but thats all.
We could have fought SCUM 1 v 1, but that wasnt the case.
Neither tribe can claim sole victory, we were on our way out a long time before the op or the declaration. For evidence, I am sure you seen the INSA merge, and also the suggested merge with another tribe.
Ebbs...Just an observer.