W70 - What's Your View?

DeletedUser84494

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What has always fascinated me is the 180 that players will pull when they change sides. Instead of being honest about it (I was frustrated, I saw no point, I gave it my all and tried but had enough, etc), they frame the former tribe as an unholy beast that never did anything right.

DSy4 had its problems: many of them, but each of the remaining tribes have had their problems. DSy4's was a perfect storm that collapsed them. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but they made it this far from day one, and a bad tribe rarely pulls that off. Especially with all of the interesting twists and turns they have been through. I commend them for the things that they were able to do in this world.

This is understandable from a player in a tribe: many players will feel as if what they have done was in vain and will jump ship. But from a leader?

I am thoroughly amused when a leader complains about their former tribe when they jump ship. As a leader, the tribe is your responsibility. They sink or swim because of your choices, and when you disagree with the other leaders, the solution, in my humble opinion, is to take charge - as a leader - and be the change that is needed. Instead, you disagreed with how things were being done and you stormed off to another tribe, then used your intimate knowledge of your former brothers in arms to launch on accounts that would be easy growth.

This is your choice, and there are many who are not quite as old fashioned as I am who would commend you for cutting ties and at least saving yourself. After all, why should you go down with your tribemates when they are sinking?

I am aware that you did a lot in the tribe, and what you did for DSy4 should not be overlooked. You took sits and you spent long hours trying to keep players going: that is what a leader does. You sit, you teach, you put in stupid hours, you lead.

You don't abandon.

As for the accusations, the account that was handed to the enemy did not once use the account information against Maggot - including the information on what had been sniped. If the account was going to be used against DSy4, it would not have done so by pointing out that a half dozen 200 hour attacks had been sniped. It would have been done by launching all of the troops in that account on the surrounding members. It was a beautiful account and would have been able to tear into the tribe before anyone could have stopped it. There were many opportunities to use DSy4's desperation and poor situation against them by using that account. The original owner's wishes were respected and had been discussed prior to taking the account (he understood that it would be going to an enemy and would still be used to attack.
, but restrictions were set and the account distanced itself from certain targets).

As for the Latchky accusation, I am acutely aware of what happened. I know who they are, I know where they are. I have the evidence, and that will be all my guys need to put a little special focus on them. I also know that they gleefully joined Infect for the sole purpose of betraying them, so the odds are very good that I won't have to lift a finger to remove them from this world.

I still encourage them to stack, because if they don't get you then I will (not that I have to tell you that: your plan was to get heavily stacked, regardless, so your friends knew where the support had been pulled and what was soft for them to hit it). I know your breaking point and I know that you're not a last-village sort of fellow. So once your little plan backfires and those stacks vanish as Infect tries to restack the areas that are conveniently empty and being hit, you and I get to dance.

Because I'll happily go after you rather than the holes you opened up in their backline. Make sure you hit me hard, dear. What you did is considered going too far by all but the most indifferent and callous of players and karma is simply dreadful at times.

I also suggest that you use your new little tribe as a mestshield rather than go along with your original plan.

You're going to need them.
 

DeletedUser94483

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Hmmm sounds like anger is boiling.....Sounds like the calm before a very big storm...Sounds like a party...Wonder if an unassuming farmer will get to have fun.
 

sidd 271

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As for the Latchky accusation, I am acutely aware of what happened. I know who they are, I know where they are. I have the evidence, and that will be all my guys need to put a little special focus on them. I also know that they gleefully joined Infect for the sole purpose of betraying them, so the odds are very good that I won't have to lift a finger to remove them from this world.

I still encourage them to stack, because if they don't get you then I will (not that I have to tell you that: your plan was to get heavily stacked, regardless, so your friends knew where the support had been pulled and what was soft for them to hit it). I know your breaking point and I know that you're not a last-village sort of fellow. So once your little plan backfires and those stacks vanish as Infect tries to restack the areas that are conveniently empty and being hit, you and I get to dance.

Because I'll happily go after you rather than the holes you opened up in their backline. Make sure you hit me hard, dear. What you did is considered going too far by all but the most indifferent and callous of players and karma is simply dreadful at times.

I also suggest that you use your new little tribe as a mestshield rather than go along with your original plan.

You're going to need them.

3 things

1. don't need to mention me as "them"
2. Infect guys already know that I planned to joined them to screw them in long term. I have already told them about this. Do infect guys need to trust me? Up to them. I don't mind them if some of them don't trust me now. How they will trust me in future? When I will put up a good fight against Ronin and I am pretty confident about that.
3. Latchky hacking. Now this is interesting. I knew who were involved and how it happened. it started when xxx2 contacted me and xxx1(name hidden) Read the skype chat below
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[18-10-2014 22:00:21] xxx2: so whats up with latchy acc
[18-10-2014 22:00:38] Sidd 271: xxx1 knows it probably
[18-10-2014 22:00:47] Sidd 271: i heard ur kicked?
[18-10-2014 22:01:05] xxx2: i need to know what has been done there so i can get my boys to noble him out asap ....
[18-10-2014 22:01:31] xxx2: i asked them to kick me so Ronin should think that i am ri8 and i did nothing wrong
[18-10-2014 22:01:51] xxx2: and if there will be any leak in tribe mine or urs he will surely contact me
[18-10-2014 22:01:54] Sidd 271: ok so TR knows xxx1 knows it?
[18-10-2014 22:02:10] Sidd 271: keep it secret
[18-10-2014 22:02:20] Sidd 271: thats importnat for long term
[18-10-2014 22:02:21] xxx2: nope
[18-10-2014 22:02:34] xxx2: i just told this to celt and mighty
[18-10-2014 22:02:42] xxx2: but they dont know who did it frm dsy
[18-10-2014 22:03:00] xxx2: because they told me not to do this so i told them that i passed all the info to DSY
[18-10-2014 22:03:07] xxx2: and they r the ones handling it
[18-10-2014 22:03:18] Sidd 271: ask them not to tell it to anyone
[18-10-2014 22:03:28] xxx2: but we should not miss this opportunity to noble his villages asap
[18-10-2014 22:03:38] Sidd 271: i dont have muh idea about it
[18-10-2014 22:03:45] Sidd 271: xxx1 is the right perosn
[18-10-2014 22:03:55] xxx2: can u make a grp pls
[18-10-2014 22:04:11] xxx2: because u need to get ur boys noble them and i will get my boys noble them
[18-10-2014 22:04:21] Sidd 271: i am off now
[18-10-2014 22:04:29] Sidd 271: will be gone for whole day tomorow
[18-10-2014 22:04:29] xxx2: make a grp pls ...
[18-10-2014 22:04:37] Sidd 271: gp with xxx1?
[18-10-2014 22:04:41] xxx2: yup


[18-10-2014 22:05:17] *** Sidd 271 added xxx2, xxx1***
[18-10-2014 22:05:31] xxx2: xxx1 u thr bro
[18-10-2014 22:05:46] Sidd 271: he is off now
[18-10-2014 23:00:19] xxx1: (wave)
[18-10-2014 23:00:26] xxx2: sup xxx1
[18-10-2014 23:00:33] xxx2: how u doing ?
[18-10-2014 23:00:59] xxx1: ok
[18-10-2014 23:01:19] xxx2: so what all have u done in latchy account so i can get my boys noble him out
[18-10-2014 23:01:42] xxx2: i hope u know who passed u the pass :p
[18-10-2014 23:02:01] xxx1: I'm confused?
[18-10-2014 23:02:06] xxx2: it was meeeee
[18-10-2014 23:02:14] xxx1: Have you told anybody?
[18-10-2014 23:02:15] xxx2: xxx3 frnd lol
[18-10-2014 23:02:17] xxx2: nope
[18-10-2014 23:02:21] xxx2: its top secret
[18-10-2014 23:02:23] xxx1: Please keep it that way
[18-10-2014 23:02:29] xxx2: dont want anyone to know about it
[18-10-2014 23:02:56] xxx2: u me sid , xxx3 and xxx4 knows about it
[18-10-2014 23:03:10] xxx2: xxx4 does not know who logged into the acc
[18-10-2014 23:03:33] xxx1: (nod)
[18-10-2014 23:03:34] xxx1: Okay
[18-10-2014 23:03:35] xxx2: so u r completely safe bro
[18-10-2014 23:03:40] xxx1: Fantastic :)
[18-10-2014 23:03:59] xxx2: but dont want to leave this oportunity so lets noble him out ...
[18-10-2014 23:04:10] xxx2: tell me what all u did so i can get my boys nobling him asap
[18-10-2014 23:05:15] xxx1: Best thing to do is to not do anything, other than ask ~TR~ members to speed up nobling him whilst he is tribeless
[18-10-2014 23:05:39] xxx2: he joined back thr
[18-10-2014 23:05:39] xxx1: if we make it seem like ~TR~ or DSy4 has any influence on what happened, it will harm both of our tribes in the long run
[18-10-2014 23:05:59] xxx2: but atleast u need to tell me are his villages clr
[18-10-2014 23:06:07] xxx2: and any info u got frm there account
[18-10-2014 23:06:20] xxx1: Vils aren't clear - no reason for them to be
[18-10-2014 23:06:27] xxx1: It would harm DSy4 and ~TR~ to empty the vils
[18-10-2014 23:06:31] xxx1: As it would make it obvious it was us
[18-10-2014 23:06:48] xxx2: i thought u send all his offensive troops to ronin because that was the plan
[18-10-2014 23:07:01] xxx2: and leave the tribe to look like he betryaed them
[18-10-2014 23:07:15] xxx1: [18 October 2014 23:06] xxx2:


<<< i thought u send all his offensive troops to ronindid this
[18-10-2014 23:07:18] xxx1: but left def all as it is
[18-10-2014 23:07:31] xxx1: And we 'dont know' about any troops moving about on the Latchky acc
[18-10-2014 23:07:39] xxx1: if you tell anybody that's happened, Ronin will know who it was
[18-10-2014 23:08:06] xxx2: u should have moved his troops so we could have got some benefit
[18-10-2014 23:08:26] xxx1: That would have hurt us in the long run
[18-10-2014 23:08:30] xxx1: I'm trying to turn Ronin on Infect
[18-10-2014 23:08:42] xxx1: Everything I did was against what they would have assumed we would do
[18-10-2014 23:08:54] xxx1: As that gives the most belief to the fact that it wasn't actually us
[18-10-2014 23:08:54] xxx1: :)
[18-10-2014 23:08:55] xxx2: waste of time as i tried that many times
[18-10-2014 23:09:01] xxx2: hahah okay
[18-10-2014 23:09:07] xxx2: any useful info frm forums ?
[18-10-2014 23:09:14] xxx1: NAPed to everybody down south
[18-10-2014 23:09:26] xxx1: That's pretty much it
[18-10-2014 23:09:33] xxx2: okay
[18-10-2014 23:09:33] xxx1: how did you get the password btw?
[18-10-2014 23:09:44] xxx2: he contacted me to co-play him
[18-10-2014 23:09:48] xxx2: so thought to take benefit of it
[18-10-2014 23:09:50] xxx2: :p
[18-10-2014 23:10:15] xxx2: this was second time i helped u guys like this :p
[18-10-2014 23:10:43] xxx1: So he knows you had the pass?
[18-10-2014 23:10:51] xxx2: smoke
[18-10-2014 23:11:01] xxx1: when he was in Smoke he gave you the pass?
[18-10-2014 23:11:12] xxx2: was under me
[18-10-2014 23:11:20] xxx2: lol no he gave me the pass yesterday
[18-10-2014 23:11:32] xxx2: he contacted me like 3 days back
[18-10-2014 23:12:03] xxx1: Okay


In that case Ronin knows you are involved to some degree. But they don't know who you passed the info to?
[18-10-2014 23:12:24] xxx2: yup#
[18-10-2014 23:12:29] xxx1: (nod)
[18-10-2014 23:12:43] xxx2: so i cannot get banned because i never logged in thr
[18-10-2014 23:12:50] xxx1: (nod)
[18-10-2014 23:12:52] xxx1: Nor did I :)
[18-10-2014 23:12:54] xxx2: he never gave me pass to his acc on mails
[18-10-2014 23:12:57] xxx1: Someone else did :)
[18-10-2014 23:13:01] xxx2: hell yeah
[18-10-2014 23:13:02] xxx1: Okay, if they ask you make sure to say 'I'm not saying' or something along those lines. Infect have almost certainly got a spy in ~TR~
[18-10-2014 23:13:06] xxx2: infect maybe
[18-10-2014 23:13:17] xxx1: So that may well be Ronin's assumption :)
[18-10-2014 23:13:23] xxx2: yup
[18-10-2014 23:13:31] xxx2: thats y i got myself kicked out fr 2 days
[18-10-2014 23:13:44] xxx2: so if there will be a spy he might contact me directly now
[18-10-2014 23:13:49] xxx1: (nod)
[18-10-2014 23:14:00] xxx1: And Ronin may believe you are a spy for Infect now
[18-10-2014 23:14:03] xxx1: (chuckle)
[18-10-2014 23:14:08] xxx2: (rofl)
[18-10-2014 23:14:16] xxx1: Which would help as it builds that view up (wasntme)
[18-10-2014 23:14:22] xxx2: exactly
[18-10-2014 23:14:28] xxx1: Nice one
[18-10-2014 23:14:31] xxx1: Let's hope we pull this off
[18-10-2014 23:14:32] xxx1: :D
[18-10-2014 23:14:41] xxx2: hope so
[18-10-2014 23:14:48] xxx2: now the plan is TR looks after ronin
[18-10-2014 23:14:55] xxx2: and u guys focus on Infect
[18-10-2014 23:15:23] xxx2: i will be coming to help u guys against Infect ... rest of the tr against Ronin
[18-10-2014 23:16:31] xxx1: (nod)
[18-10-2014 23:16:39] xxx1: I'd suggest you work against Ronin tbh
[18-10-2014 23:16:49] xxx1: If you work against Infect, Ronin will see it as an elaborate stunt
[18-10-2014 23:16:50] xxx1: :p
[18-10-2014 23:17:20] xxx2: that will be too late to open the case again
[18-10-2014 23:17:48] xxx2: i have told them that i have given my account to a frnd of mine
[18-10-2014 23:17:56] xxx2: so fr them i am account less now
[18-10-2014 23:18:14] xxx1: (nod)
[18-10-2014 23:18:57] xxx2: u know it how badly i want infect out of this world
[18-10-2014 23:19:13] xxx1: (nod)
[18-10-2014 23:19:44] xxx2: so i asked xxx3 to help me find a frontline near infect
[18-10-2014 23:19:46] xxx2: so lets see
[18-10-2014 23:20:27] xxx2: now only thing i want is TR and DSY should work together and get things rolling
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i don't mind about you blaming me. The only thing I am not liking here is some of the real culprits of that incident trying to put entire thing on me.
3. I agree karma is simply dreadful at times. All your proxy warring via dsy4 sits against your NAPs will no not lead to a happy ending. And regarding you attacking me ,feel free about that .
 

thecamel

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Stereotypically blaming pms everytime a female says something a male doesn't like or agree with is sadly predictable & - if you weren't aware - awfully passe.

Ohh, so its a gender thing now .. Right, whats next?

Sharon, one last friendly piece of advice. Just stop saying things. You only make it worse than it already is every time you post something new.

On a side note: Everett at least stood up to being a spy. He was honest about it. You on the other hand just try to shift the blame away from you. Its not working btw, in case you havent noticed.

To clarify, the reason for which you supposedly left DSy4, is void. Read Jens post, and feel free to ask me about the deal that was made. But then again, you didnt before, so why would you now?

Hmmm sounds like anger is boiling.....Sounds like the calm before a very big storm...Sounds like a party...Wonder if an unassuming farmer will get to have fun.

I dont think, its anger. More like disappointment. Major disappointment of how some people behave on here .. I believe, what Jen said generally needed saying, no matter by who ..
 
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DeletedUser84494

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I am aware that you were not the only one involved. Although for someone who is frustrated that others may have pinned the blame entirely on him you are awfully hesitsnt to name names. Especially when one of them would have been painfully obvious even if they were not known already.

As for the proxied account playing, as fine an accusation as that is, some of us don't condone cheating for a world win. According to accusations in this world I'm apparently sitting half of it. I have been offered many accounts to internal, and I have been offered accounts that can be played if I can find a warm body for them. Infect, by the way, already knows this. And I was discussing one offer with them the other day to see what options were available for both sides. While, might I add, Infect was busy intentionally catting down my personal claims.

As for you attacking Ronin, that simply isn't in question. I don't exactly see you hitting us as proof of your ties. You, and DSy4 as a whole (in addition to TR), have been upset at my hesitation to do the right thing and turn on Infect while they have their back to us. Or had been upset. I'm sure your familia ties to your current tribe are strong.

But Infect is welcome to ramp up their paranoia. Just remember: sometimes the monster you invent and condemn will take on the role you have created.

I have no probem with becoming a monster: my hands certainly aren't clean, but they are cleaner than Infect's. Petty accusations of cheating have got nothing on what I am capable of if I genuinely wanted to step back and screw over Infect.

Let me know if that is the path you want me to take.
 

mrpointhore

Guest
Jenn, please don't threaten Infect again. The last 3 tribes (not including how many different times bAd or smoke or whatever they are renamed themselves) didn't end well, so I say this nicely because we're friendly with one another, don't threaten us.
And don't forget, you're not the only one with birdies in this world, and you're not the only one who can pull up some very interesting old conversations from skype.

And just remember: I'm already a monster.


-Omar
 

DeletedUser84494

Guest
Amiable warnings and naught else, because we're being friendly with one another. However, I will consider myself, without question, as having been warned. You know how much I hate to step out of line or rock the boat.

Welcome back, Omar; you've been missed.
 

xdocholidayx

Guest
That's right boys and girls, Omar is back in Infect. He was on an antibiotic regimen, but it didn't take, gonorrhea for life it seems...
 

mrpointhore

Guest
On the plus side, now I can really Infect people.

Naaaaamean
 

DeletedUser84494

Guest
They logged into the account and launched the troops 200 hours out at members of Ronin. Then both tribes attacking him gleefully gloated at his "capabilities" as he sniped with pennies and struggled to stay afloat. And they waited for him to give up.

Googly apologized to me for the disgusting display and I, in turn, owed Liric an apology. He insisted that DSy4 was involved, but since I knew the main culprit and thought better of DSy4 I told him that I felt he was wrong.

We all make mistakes. Fortunately there is still time to remedy this one.
 

latchky

Guest
Posting curfew? I am aware of everything however at the end of the day I say what i want.

If you and your boys are going to break rules in this game make sure you do it right. I got hit with a ban then ur crew , sidd, anan, etc had access to my account yet Im still here ;)

Work smarter not harder ! I believe I have mails saying you all would remove me and good luck to how this world ends for me right??? hmm seems that has all changed now. So i'd recommend not sending idle threats my way anymore. As i told you and silly miles months ago I will be here to see this world to an end. Those of you involved with my hacking will not be :)

Best of luck in whatever new world you try to win after this one
 

latchky

Guest
As far as I'm concerned you and I are even; you back stabbed my friends and tribe which resulted in people you were friends with being hurt. I influenced 5-10 nukes being sent out of your account at your tribe-mate. Whilst I am genuinely sorry for the extent of what was done to your account, which I didn't have control over, the small problem my involvement caused you was fully earned by your behaviour on this world.


My threats are not idle. I would suggest you consult with your leader before posting any further; there are quite a number of things I could easily bring to light along with a number of things I can cause to happen that would pretty much ruin your, and Ronin's, chances of winning this world - purely to spite you. Which would most definitely not be something your leadership would appreciate.

But that's your call. Pettiness is a wonderful thing, and given our history I have more reason than any to cause problems for you.

You have no power and If your going to post ...please do not ignore the red marks under your writings
"your behaviour on this world." ... behavior.

Googly you are not worth wasting my time posting. Im seeing this world to an end regardless.

Best of luck to you in this world.. Its just a game...

but if they ever come out with a 1 on 1 tribal wars tournament add me ;) lol

Later
 
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latchky

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Firstly, I have a lot of power over the way this world will play out. You may be clueless, blind even, on that...but I would strongly suggest you speak to your leader if you wish to continue giving me reasons to start changing tactics :)

Sure you do lol if u had that much power your tribe would still be a factor.

But this is pointless to even continue, I have a game to tend to...ill let you continue preparing your posts to troll the forum with and rant about how great you are / were / however you want to look at it.

If u need me you know where to find me in game or on skype

do you boys and girls smell that ?

It's the smell of offtopic


Lol you all can get back to main topic of discussion :)
 
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mrpointhore

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Considering I'm indifferent between this Googly and Latchky battle going on, but still find it amusing.

1. Googly just shat all over your face with that grammar lesson, point 1 to googs.
2. For someone who says "It's just a game", you care an awful lot, Latchypoo
3. Latchky, I don't know you, at all, but, people who talk big games on the forums, usually, and mind you, I say usually, never end up well. You've made it thus far, congrats! You must be a solid player, but lets not make alligations and assumptions, eh?

My 3 cents.
 

u6s5l.

Guest
Below are log times, where Maggot was first mentioned before & after the incident occurring. A simple 'ctrl f' would back this up by yourself or anybody else who was in the chatroom at the time.

And the one thing I held my hands up to was incorrect, as something far worse happened which I only found out about last week (I was under the impression 5-10 nukes were sent at Bombo86 and that was it...apparently that is not the case).


[11/10/2014 22:02] -> the last time Maggot was mentioned in council chat before the incident.
[19/10/2014 15:04] -> the one time the Latchky incident was discussed.
[30/10/2014 02:06] -> the first time Maggot was mentioned in council chat after the incident.


I would never sell out any committed member of a tribe I lead. Spies are a different matter, but everybody else is treated in the same light - as a friend and an equal. If they play for the interests of the tribe, they are protected by any means at my disposal. And whilst there have been mistakes on this world (taking back being a duke when the war began so that someone was leading the tribe when I didn't have the time, for example), there has never once been a case where I have done anything to harm any account in DSy4 whilst leading - excluding dismissals for spying.

I can think of a few times.
 

LiriC

Guest
all I got from this . is that googly hacked latcky .

jesus .. and some people here have the guts to call me a bastard . god damn it.
 
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