As per my usual modus operandi I will point out how the tribe changes are not an entirely accurate representation.
On paper as per Twstats, yes XVI does have only 3/5 of Dvaders tribe changes, but the reality is that there are other factors at work.
Now critically XVI has utilised other tribes such as xvi-f too store inactive accounts (much the same as SP for PnP). Now these accounts are effectively a part of the tribe, even falling under basically the same tag, may even be being sat by accounts in the parent tribe. So in reality they function as a part of the parent tribe, yet do not contribute to the tribe changes listed in Twstats. Now this may seem like a small a factor, however consider if you have an enemy tribe that is conceding, however part of the deal is that X number of accounts become part of your tribe, however you do not have the space initially, having a secondary place too store these accounts is advantageous as often these post war recruits go inactive. Now this reduces the tribe changes stat significantly for the parent tribe.
Consider also that XVI rather than turning over players and accounts such as Dvader has done (for the most part the player that joined our tribe with the account is the only player on the account) have found new owners for old accounts. This is an excellent means of keeping a successfull account active, however largely this option has been suitable for our inactive accounts. So a decent number of extra tribe changes occur here.
Thirdly and critically XVI was a premade and brought their membership list to this world. Now credit where credit is due, it is extremely impressive that they got too the point that they are with the premade list, far beyond what any other original premade list achieved on w36. For a tribe like Dvader though, the membership list is a product of recruiting, sussing out who is suitable and losing some others. Dvader did not have the advantage of a pre-constructed membership list, and what has been achieved by the dukes is quite impressive in my opinion.
Now all these are simply factors, and perhaps in the abscence of these Dvader may still have had more tribe changes than the other top tribes. However no matter what is said it is very hard too argue that this has been a successful mode of business, and although there has been a turnover at times, Dvader has maintained an active membership where many other tribes have struggled.
Don't get me wrong either, my reply in no way is a criticism of XVI. I have the utmost respect for everything that you guys were, and what you were able too achieve. I was simply trying too reply too the statement in context.
Now that is a more thorough explanation that would alter my opinion rather than the usual critique provided by Valk there,
I agree with the points there but the fact that DVADER has not warred the major tribes that are bordering on large amount of borders, such as the XVI which border on 6 borders and which just happens to be allies? My source is likely to be incorrect, but there is little action between the two tribes, so really an indication of friendly relations. Same for the PnP borders, but the tension is rising supposedly seeing as the opinions on this thread shared by the DVADER seem to directed at the PnP members or the PnP tribe as a whole, not all but some.
I concur with the premade argument, but the recruitment could have been more strict, seeing as a several of the members have entered the tribe, found it not to their liking and had left, I think I have about 2-3 friends on my contact list alone that are of that opinion, neither seem to play 36 anymore, seeing as DVADER does a good job of cleaning its Ks. A largely ineffective factor seeing as everyone have their own opinion, but a factor is they claim that the tribe was unorganized, which I found kind of strange considering the magnitude of the tribe and domination of the core. Wasn't there DVADER on W1 as well? Which Jamie was part of? Was the tribe itself a premade or just a remake with new memberbase and name?
Consider also that XVI rather than turning over players and accounts such as Dvader has done (for the most part the player that joined our tribe with the account is the only player on the account) have found new owners for old accounts. This is an excellent means of keeping a successfull account active, however largely this option has been suitable for our inactive accounts. So a decent number of extra tribe changes occur here.
Either a typo on your behalf or reading misconception on mine, but does the sentence imply that the option of attaining a new account owner was suitable for the inactive accounts but somehow that had influenced the tribe changes to increase?
And don't get me wrong either, I think that the top spot is well deserved by the DVADER considering the longevity of the tribe and constant growth, it's just the fact that there were no major wars occurring whilst bordering the other top #3 tribes for a little over a month and still having at least a NAP in place with both is kind of concerning and thus causing my opinion to formulate.
lmao giving up much?
In some sort of leadership role.... i am actually taking a guess i never said anything about sources about NL leadership roles did i :icon_redface:
I've joined about 2 weeks prior to NL collapse and was a Baron for about 3-4 days before the merge, I've tried to take the reins but the situation seemed as hopeless and the person in charge had arranged a merger, but this is water under the bridge and I fail to see how it has anything with the matter at hand.
And no, not giving up, just arguing with you is like trying to open a fridge without any limbs.
DVADER when your tribe collapsed against gunz thus the only reason im having this debate with you because of your tribes poor ability in war... if your tribe was XVI or maybe PnP i wouldnt have mentioned anything as both of those have actually won a war.