WWII discussion thread

[DeletedUser71940]

I have, Cuba is a socialist state.. Communism is basically what Cuba is now without the Dictator, without the Dictator do you really believe that people will continue living isolated from the West? The amount of people who immigrate on anything that floats to the US is a testament of the situation within Cuba, without dictator, it would surely fall apart.

 

[DeletedUser]

Communism is a theory that will never work, despite myself being originally from one of the Soviet States, which never even seen communism, only socialism, bloody dictators >_> I still don't believe that even if it were achieved it would surely fail or deteriorate at a fast rate, it is a stupid idea for as long people are greedy, the communism won't work. Since greed is one of the human's basic characteristics I doubt communism would have ever worked even if some greedy dictator decided to give the power to the "People". If I wanted to make money I'd write a book too slagging off the citizens of the Soviet State for the actions of their leaders, I am quiet positive I would sell millions of copies in America alone . The Cold War is never trully over.

I have argued and argued this repeatedly. Communism, in theory, is a perfect system. It's greates flaw, though, is for it to actually work as envisiond by Marx or even Lenin, people would have to be something they are not. Not greedy.

Greed is one of the most basic human emotions and is tied directly to our natural disposition to survive. Greed has spurned just about every technological innovation man has ever devised. Why did we start farming and build cities? Greed. We wanted more food for ourselves and stumbled upon an effective method of doing it. Goodbye nomadic wandering, and hello civilization.

have you never heard of cuba? :icon_biggrin:

Yeah, because Cuba is a model of the high standards of modern living. :lol:

 

[DeletedUser71940]

Yes as I stated in THEORY communism is a perfect government, wheras in the reality it would never work. Do you really think a man would decline a life of luxury at the expense of his subjects if he had a choice between dictatorship or communism.

 

[DeletedUser]

Yes as I stated in THEORY communism is a perfect government, wheras in the reality it would never work. Do you really think a man would decline a life of luxury at the expense of his subjects if he had a choice between dictatorship or communism.

I know you did. I can read. :icon_wink:

I was re-iterating your post. I've argued it with other people on these forums as well as elsewhere.

 

[DeletedUser71940]

I know you did. I can read. :icon_wink:

I was re-iterating your post. I've argued it with other people on these forums as well as elsewhere.

Oh, well it is.. Kind of late and when you get 7 hours of sleep over the whole weekend you tend to mis-read stuff

And yes there are some that claim that if USSR had a chance and had not made mistakes which resulted in its bankruptcy, the communism would have prevailed, I personally find that argument stupifying.

 

[DeletedUser]

Oh, well it is.. Kind of late and when you get 7 hours of sleep over the whole weekend you tend to mis-read stuff

And yes there are some that claim that if USSR had a chance and had not made mistakes which resulted in its bankruptcy, the communism would have prevailed, I personally find that argument stupifying.

I don't know about prevailed, but it defintely could have lasted longer had there not been an arms race between the Americans and the Soviets. Trying to keep up is what drove them to bankruptcy.

 

[DeletedUser71940]

Mm I'd add Afghanistan to that list and the COMCON or whatever it was called, soviet equivelant of the Marshall plan, offering reparation costs to the Eastern European countries, but then again there are alot of different reasons as to why the soviet state had disintegrated.

But yeah Arms and Space race are the main ones imo.

 

[DeletedUser]

Mm I'd add Afghanistan to that list and the COMCON or whatever it was called, soviet equivelant of the Marshall plan, offering reparation costs to the Eastern European countries, but then again there are alot of different reasons as to why the soviet state had disintegrated.

But yeah Arms and Space race are the main ones imo.

Afghanistan was defintitely a big cuase of the decline, but not so much monetarily, Idon't think. It hurt the morale of the Soviet people, just like Vietnam did in America.

I think the fact that everyone was afraid to tell truth of how bad the situation was to their superiors had a lot to do with it as well.

 

[DeletedUser71940]

Well if they would have just forgotten the good old phrase "Don't shoot the messenger" then I'd say that the superiors would be unaware of the situation :lol: I mean would you tell your dictator that you are a losing a war in a country that your country had invaded knowing full well that deportation to Gulag or execution would follow that :icon_razz:

 

[DeletedUser]

Well if they would have just forgotten the good old phrase "Don't shoot the messenger" then I'd say that the superiors would be unaware of the situation :lol: I mean would you tell your dictator that you are a losing a war in a country that your country had invaded knowing full well that deportation to Gulag or execution would follow that :icon_razz:

Of course not, which is why they didn't know what was really happening in their country. :icon_wink:

 

[DeletedUser71940]

Heh Stalin did, with him it was either tell and go to Gulag or don't tell and have a really slow and painful death(Worse Gulag).

 

[DeletedUser]

Yeah, it must have really worked out well for him. lol

 

[DeletedUser60182]

I have argued and argued this repeatedly. Communism, in theory, is a perfect system. It's greates flaw, though, is for it to actually work as envisiond by Marx or even Lenin, people would have to be something they are not. Not greedy.

Greed is one of the most basic human emotions and is tied directly to our natural disposition to survive. Greed has spurned just about every technological innovation man has ever devised. Why did we start farming and build cities? Greed. We wanted more food for ourselves and stumbled upon an effective method of doing it. Goodbye nomadic wandering, and hello civilization.

Yeah, because Cuba is a model of the high standards of modern living. :lol:

It is actually :icon_neutral:

 

[DeletedUser]

It is actually :icon_neutral:

You mean Cuba? Or Communism in general? :icon_confused:

Because, if you mean Cuba, then way do people cross 90 miles of open ocean in a raft to get to Florida?

 

[DeletedUser71940]

You mean Cuba? Or Communism in general? :icon_confused:

Because, if you mean Cuba, then way do people cross 90 miles of open ocean in a raft to get to Florida?

To visit the Disney Land. Duuhh.

 

[DeletedUser]

To visit the Disney Land. Duuhh.

Dang. All along i thought the answer to that was "to get to the other side" I never even thought about Disney Land

(Just a thought, i believe Disney Land is in California, Disney World is in Florida)

 

[DeletedUser]

Yeah, Disney world is in Florida, but you can't get to it by raft. lol

At least, not without facing a few gators.

 

[DeletedUser60182]

You mean Cuba? Or Communism in general? :icon_confused:

Because, if you mean Cuba, then way do people cross 90 miles of open ocean in a raft to get to Florida?

Funnily enough, the healthcare in cuba is better than that of florida.

 

[DeletedUser]

I have argued and argued this repeatedly. Communism, in theory, is a perfect system. It's greates flaw, though, is for it to actually work as envisiond by Marx or even Lenin, people would have to be something they are not. Not greedy.

Greed is one of the most basic human emotions and is tied directly to our natural disposition to survive. Greed has spurned just about every technological innovation man has ever devised. Why did we start farming and build cities? Greed. We wanted more food for ourselves and stumbled upon an effective method of doing it. Goodbye nomadic wandering, and hello civilization.

Yeah, because Cuba is a model of the high standards of modern living. :lol:

To get it back on topic.......

I agree. Communism, with the right people, could be a good system. However, and thankfully, we had the privelage of having evil Stalin and Lenin leading the first wave of cumminists, and we learned right away, this is not a good idea.

I would like to through this little question out here, as i have had mixed feelings when i think about this answer, and i get mixed reviews from others...

-Would the war have changed in anyway, would the start of the war changed, would the war have even happened, if the United States was located in Eurpoe? (i.e the US faced immediate danger when finding out about Hitler)

 

[DeletedUser]

The war would have happened still. The Treaty of Versailles put Germany under terrible military and economic conditions. For Germany to survive, they needed to do something. I do believe they were drastic in their options and there were much better ways of solving the problem but its true that when the world is your stage, violence and death are the quickest route to showing people you mean business.