Zeus' Call to the Olympians

[DeletedUser]

Why did no one counter this arguement then???

we dont just hit random village without scouting first.

So you only attack what you scout? Too me too many scouts are a waste as what do actually scouts kill :icon_rolleyes: I wont go into too much detail how I use scouts but I'm very effective with them.

Well the ability of your tribe hasn't been questioned. Just the fact that Walsh claims you to be the #1 ranked tribe in ODA and that simply is false. At least as of now. .

There is no way of proving how much oda you "recruited". So If I go and recruit the 10 best ODA players in SYN, and then we overtake you in ODA, does that make us a better tribe :icon_eek:

No, it just means that the current tribe are better. Based on players that have been in tribes in w48, even giving everyone else a month head start we have been more aggressive. And If I was wasting troops or not being effective, how has my growth stayed the same. I bet if I produced a map of subv you are all over the place in small mini clusters and not using your churches effectively.

So in conclusion I may of wasted troops now, but how many troops are you losing in the long run.

 

[DeletedUser]

a player doesnt have to have "million point+" to be in an OP, look at me...not even 1mil yet...and im in ever single SubV Op in K44. try gang-banging on ONE PLAYER AT A TIME.

Yeah i have 100% participation too :icon_rolleyes: unless your on about nobling then how how come you didnt take any risen villages??????? How the hell are you involved in EVERY op then :icon_razz:

hence youre wasting troops on a whole different level. you keep throwing your troops at defensive villages...well, its no brainer that you have high ODA, but its not as productive and effective as we are. how many villages can you take until you run out of nukes? it does take a long time to rebuild nukes...pretty sure you know that.

3-4 nukes per claim isnt really a waste when I have lets say 100 off villages and only 2-3 trains. In fact I could send 10+ per claim and be using my resources in my remit.

Plus nukes only take 2 weeks to build, so as long as I dont lose everything I'm ok as in 2 weeks ALL my nukes are built, a few weeks before all their def troops are rebuilt.

well, what about your tribemates? arent they fighting too? well? if ur going wild while ur tribemates are "getting ready", arent they in risk of being attacked as well? you're in a tribe...

A tribe just declared on us, so I doubt my tribe are unhappy I'm giving players hell, and thinking Oh no I'm gonna get attacked cause walsh sent a few attacks

and you're just going wild by yourself without thinking about your tribemates. we're different in SubV, we gang-bang on other players, we share ODA (pretty evenly among the members in the OP), we're not wasting much troops (so we can just continuously fight a war right after another), and we make sure no one is falling in trouble because of our "speediness" (i would rather wait a week than risking my tribemates' safety).

If we waited a week to counter, mighty would get more confidence, keep hitting us with force and beating us in the war stats. In fact we have countered them so effectively as 30-40% of full power as a tribe and are winning, wait till everyone gets involved.:icon_confused:


No inregards to

we play strategically, my friend. we dont just hit random village without scouting first.

Your profile says

2. Attacking/Scouting my village(s)...no brainer.

Isnt that then saying a scout is an act of war, so if I was your leader you then scout all your targets of a tribe we have not declared on, your saying we are going to attack you soon, so either stack what I scout and I will either die on those stacked walls as I broadcasted my targets, or will you rescout after giving them a heads up and go, oops they stacked it now, I will pick of an inactive till the "stack" goes :icon_eek:

 

[DeletedUser]

Yeah i have 100% participation too unless your on about nobling then how how come you didnt take any risen villages??????? How the hell are you involved in EVERY op then

hmmm is this really a tough question? i will answer it for u then cause nukes with no nobles dont have a travel limit.

 

[DeletedUser]

hmmm is this really a tough question? i will answer it for u then cause nukes with no nobles dont have a travel limit.

Every one can and does send nukes, his point was that they only attack empty villages, so you think players cant stack when he sends his 100+ hour nukes, unless its an inactive :lol:

So what is it? YOU only attack empty villages, or everyone sends long distant nukes to stacked villages. I'm confused

 

[DeletedUser]

Every one can and does send nukes, his point was that they only attack empty villages, so you think players cant stack when he sends his 100+ hour nukes, unless its an inactive :lol:

So what is it? YOU only attack empty villages, or everyone sends long distant nukes to stacked villages. I'm confused

What's the point of simply nuking empty villages? :icon_rolleyes:

When he said they attack the empty villages first, he meant they noble them. :icon_idea:

It's called smart tactics, walsh.

 

[DeletedUser]

What's the point of simply nuking empty villages? :icon_rolleyes:

When he said they attack the empty villages first, he meant they noble them. :icon_idea:

It's called smart tactics, walsh.

No pyker, when someone says

we play strategically, my friend. we dont just hit random village without scouting first.

and the reply to counter was

hmmm is this really a tough question? i will answer it for u then cause nukes with no nobles dont have a travel limit.

Their player makes out he will only hit scouted empty villages, that is smart, I just nobled a front line village with 25 HC in it last night, however you either send long range nukes at stacked villages or he doesnt participate in every OP like he makes out, cause if he did noble in every op then subv didnt do any against risen which I know is the case, or he sends nukes long distance at stacked villages therefore contradicting his flames aimed at me

 

[DeletedUser]

Their player makes out he will only hit scouted empty villages, that is smart, I just nobled a front line village with 25 HC in it last night, however you either send long range nukes at stacked villages or he doesnt participate in every OP like he makes out, cause if he did noble in every op then subv didnt do any against risen which I know is the case, or he sends nukes long distance at stacked villages therefore contradicting his flames aimed at me

Walsh, silentknight didn't make out that they only hit empty villages. He said they hit the empty ones first and the save the stacked ones for last. So, you are putting words in his mouth by not reading carefully.

 

[DeletedUser]

BUt there arent definitely more stuff i want to say in this post, just running out of time.

Please dont your just making Subv look ridiculous with your posts. Im not sure what you dont get about what Walshaw is saying its quite a simple and explained effectivly,Flaming him is unnecessary really and is just causing pointless spam.

Cue the Flaming :icon_neutral:

 

[DeletedUser]

uhhhmm, i think you did NOT finish reading that sentence of mine. i said every SubV's OP IN K44. i did not say ALL OPs that SubV performed.

so every op in the last two weeks then :icon_rolleyes:

Most of the far away members (like myself and those who are far away from RISEN front) are REQUIRED to send supports as a part of the Stacking task. Also, some of us who have "expendable" nukes can send the nukes as part of "Lend" Nukes, to help out the front line. Also, once a script for fakes is made, almost ALL long-range members would add it to the Quick Bar and send tons of fakes to ease out the front line. So, i can say that each one of us in SubV plays a part in each OP (even the ones that are being nobled internally throw their nukes at enemies too).

The majority of the tribe are on another front with mighty. So I should be a selfish leader and get them to use ops in my area and make me safe or do what I'm the doing. In k35 my tribe are 34% of it I'm 19% of it yet you flame me for doing it on mt own in k35. I'm over half the k presence for our tribe. That is why I can and am fighting the k35 players practically on my own for now, as the others there are mainly in k36 with incomings of their own. I'm beating and making players weaker so my tribe mates can pick them off when they are ready.

By doing what I'm doing I'm helping to distract mighty, infact yesterday I defended and killed 135k of troops that hardly dented my defence. Check out our tribe, I wasnt an op or main target and by being such a pain I was 4th biggest ODD. Thats troops I helped kill by making mighty notice me and deflect the attention from the smaller players. Yes I'm doing my part. A player was sent nobles on the k46 border a few attacks from me, he sent two very poor nukes and a def escort with his train. If I sat here and "waited" like you do, mighty would of taken more. I'm pro active not reactive

War stats are not as important as keeping your tribemates safe, because they will keep you safe in return when you're on the front line. Apparently, you care more about the stats instead of the safety of your tribemates. Plus, when you have an ORGANIZED plan (with everyone involving in active attacking), it'll be wayyyyy stronger when you do a counter attack. And once stacking has been completed, you wont have to afraid about defending, since your tribemates get your back.

Really ok, your on here flaming me for attacking players attacking my tribe mates, so ok mr genius. My local tribe mates are getting attacked. I'm sitting on, lets say 100 + nukes, what would you do. Leave them sat at home doing nothing cause my op is 1-2 weeks away. Or would you cause a little mayhem, fake, nuke by hitting their nukes at home so cant clear tribemates, clear train villages as well, and aggravate them that much they attack you, splitting their attacking forces, and making them less effective as they start focusing on me too. As what use is a nuke sat at home doing nothing in a time of war?


No your right, what a terrible leader I am. I should of sat there, let my players get nobled, cleared etc. And said oh well at least I got my nukes left to hit them later when my tribe mates cant participate in the op as they have too few troops.

Please, if subv dont need you I got an opening for an attack co-ordinater of you want it, invite is yours.

 

[DeletedUser]

Tbh most of arguments told here make no sense to me, on both sides.

And on a side note to silentknight... i dont see the reason to come here to explain to whole world how we are supposed to organize our ops. Tbh it isnt smart either.

Anyway, about the ODA point, just to state some facts instead of empty circling reasoning.

- right, as Zrip stated we never managed to gain over Gnomble a ODA advantage, regardless to our being bigger.

- regardless to ODA, we managed to keep raise the point difference over Gnomble, and this without a relevant increase of our tribe members count, since after recrutiing from (i mean that since after then onward we kept growing in point faster than Gnomble).

- this, following the reasoning done so far on this topic in both sides, can be explained just guessing that in SubV we had a better ratio of troops we had to kill in front of vills we managed to noble. Which may depend on a better and more efficient use of our offensive power or else from the fact that all we had to noble were point whores..

But both these persepctives of the matter are false and i'll try explain why.

In-game ODA stats count any ODA gained by any member that have been in a tribe for the whole time he has been there.

Considering:
That anyone that have been into a tribe and is not there anymore count 2 times in Tribe changes (1 join and 1 left)
Tribe Changes = Tc
Actual Members = M

We have:
[(Tc-M)/2]+M = number of players that took part on building actual tribal ODA
Warning: this calculation doesnt consider several stuffs: stage of the world (obviously who joined and left early could have partecipated way less on building tribal ODA); time of remaining in the tribe for who then left... but let's assume there not really relevant differences between SubV and Gnomble on these factors.

The Gnomble 143,99 mil ODA has been built by around 149 members, which mean each of them took in around 0,9 mil ODA.
SubV 129,80 mil ODA has been built by around 94 members, which mean each of them took in around 1,38 mil ODA.

Se seem that as an average (again, as an average... walshaw, or at least the previous account owner, has obviously played way more aggressive than anyone else in w48 so far) anyone that has been in SubV provided, on the time of him being there, more ODA than anyone that has been in Gnomble. So basically even if i have to admit BunnuB account ODA is impressive and that i dont have a clue on how he got it so shortly (is not like mine nukes are lazy lol), stating Gnomble in general has been playing more aggressive than anyone else in w48 isnt accurate.

For example if we had recruited actual members from (as someone mentioned this example speaking of "recruiting ODA" referring to Twstat) 1 month earlier i'm quite sure that we would have way more ODA (whitout any change in member count).
Or, another example, if PIRANA manage to survive as a tribe is reasonable to think that they will soon pass anyone else in ODA, being able to count in way mroe villages and players... and is not like this show much about how aggressive they may be as an average or how much skilled their players are.

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On a side note we obviously do NOT scout any village we are gonna attack. That would be kinda retarded and anyway if you get or expect to get scout reports at a certain point and then send attacks later, or you are fighting total noobs, or else you have high chanches to not find same stuffs in the vill. And these are bases.

But ofc when you are able to hit hundreads of villages with noble trains all hitting aprox on same time, well then is reasonable to expect to manage to noble more targets having to kill less defences than when eventually the same amount of trains hit on spreaded times.

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Last, i really dont get why SubV members keep speaking everywhere :icon_confused:
A "good luck guys" sometimes is enough.

 

[DeletedUser]

Se seem that as an average (again, as an average... walshaw, or at least the previous account owner, has obviously played way more aggressive than anyone else in w48 so far) anyone that has been in SubV provided, on the time of him being there, more ODA than anyone that has been in Gnomble.

ODA was 4 mill when I took over, give me a little credit lol.

I have the most effective nuke build I can have so my nukes build really quick, which is why I'm not bothered if I lose nukes, only the resources I could of used to build coins to keep up with you :icon_razz:

However after a few skirmishes and reports from a few others, majority of mighty use 9.5-12k axe per nuke, so I know that they cant hit us effectively again for 3-4 weeks at least, giving a nice window for us to take advantage.

But in regards to players we may of lost that got us ODA, ironically the only one I can think of is my account which was 15th in ODA, we had players that contributed. I'm saying this as players we have 162 mill ODA, but our tribes ODA is 143 mill, some would of been from Gnomes, but look at roster, most of them have left now. The core of BP and RICE are still here. If you knew the workings of our tribe in a little more detail, this would be better understood, but not gonna post stuff to win an argument on here.

 

[DeletedUser]

SUBV was almost created a month before ourselves and whilst our players have fought in EB-GB's and got that ODA, does that mean you recruited all that ODA from facepalm?

This is actually totally false.

When you change a tribe name or tag, but the tribe remain still the same, the OD stats count keep adding on previous ones. The fact SubV had always had same name and that instead Gnomble passed trought several name changes doesnt modify the fact that since before the >BP< - Rice merge stats have been keeping adding. And dont speak of low member count. Actually we were barely 20 members until after Flame war...

As i cannot get Gnomble origin tribe exact time of making it i'll take time of first member to join:

SubV: Nossis Joined 24th March 2010 - 19:00
Gnomble: E -mail Joined 22nd March 2010 - 16:00

Actually Gnomble was created at least 2 days earlier than SubV

ODA was 4 mill when I took over, give me a little credit lol.

Yeah you did a very nice job. Still also previous owner did an amazing one. I think when he had 4 milion prolly the 2nd ranked had less than the half

 

[Repinski]

SubV, Walsh. Shut up. Who gives a damn about ODA right now? This is about the war not about who can throw more nukes around or who's nukes are used more wisely.

 

[DeletedUser]

My bad, I thought subV was created near the start, as BP was created 3-4 weeks after we all joined the world, and even then we were a tiny tribe till the merge with rice 4 weeks after that.

Bunnub was a beast, farming did it all, the oda and super growth rate was unbelievable. Only flaw was his church set up, but everything else was outstanding. Been hard to keep up with you, but knew once a full blown war then it would stop due to no farming as nukes needed else where. His ODD was high too, this has been the most involved account shall we say on this world with ODA/ODD

 

[DeletedUser]

SubV, Walsh. Shut up.

Deal! At least for what concern me... and possibly also rest of SubV could stop derail the topic, pretty please? :icon_rolleyes:

 

[The Carpathian]

Side 1:
Tribes: EB-GBs
Side 2:
Tribes: Mighty

Timeframe: Last 24 hours

Total conquers:

Side 1: 38
Side 2: 12
Difference: 26

Total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 16
Side 2: 7
Difference: 9

Points value of total conquers:

Side 1: 301,940
Side 2: 84,597
Difference: 217,343

Points value of total conquers against opposite side:

Side 1: 130,418
Side 2: 60,820
Difference: 69,598

 

[DeletedUser]

This is bull... AD, you owe me atleast 500k resources

 

[DeletedUser]

Yeah AD you owe me £20

 

[DeletedUser]

There is no way of proving how much oda you "recruited". So If I go and recruit the 10 best ODA players in SYN, and then we overtake you in ODA, does that make us a better tribe :icon_eek:

Well Walsh, you are putting words in my mouth. I am going by facts not an opinion. I have stated that EBGBs could give any tribe a run for their money. You guys are very deserving of the ranks you hold. I even stated though PIRANA "recruited" their ODA that they aren't really deserving of their rank. If you want to say SubV has recruited it's ODA I could say the same for EBGBs, can't I? I will say this EBGBs are a strong aggressive tribe but aren't technically ranked #1 regardless of how you want to slice the cake. Everyone has a right to their opinions but I have facts that back mine. Now enough of this pointless derailment. I will not add any further to it.

 

[seigneurdemort]

As much as I enjoy roasting my marshmallows over 6 pages of endless flaming. Can y'all seriously stop whining and complaining about whose tribe started when and how tribe A's ODA is bigger then tribe B's ODA and how some ODA shouldn't count because of X, Y and Z. This is the MIGHTY vs EB-GB's thread. Can we please keep it that way? Nobody here wants to have to scroll through 6 pages of bickering to find stats. Please just post relevant (keyword) stats get your cookies and get OUT.