Lord Hawk IX on 24.11. at 07:09
Hail PZA7,
Congrats on your masterful move to claim such massive swaths of territory.
Interesting that after so many months of dominating the world we have never spoken.
I wonder if you would be interested in having a conversation?
Regards,
Lord Hawk IX
PZA7 on 24.11. at 19:40
Hi Lord Hawk,
I guess me responding to this message is a conversation in itself!
Thank you very much for acknowledging the 'masterful move' as you so kindly put it. We will no doubt reign as number one for some time yet!
Anyway, what kind of conversation are you interested in having?
Regards,
[player]PZA7[/player]
Lord Hawk IX on 24.11. at 20:45
Well as you know We HAWKS and Legion have coordinated together for many months albeit unofficially during the Who? war, through our mutual allies Detox.
I find it funny that we never established any official relations during this time. I guess because of our geographic distance there was never really a need.
But now I think it would be interesting to establish better relations, if you saw fit.
Considering the shape the world is taking, and your recent merger of your former enemy, I imagine you will at some point be looking for a new war. I have heard rumor that you have some measure of cleaning up to do and recuperation time of course...but that wont take too long.
I guess I'm wondering what your next move will be...not that I'm asking you to compromise any plans you might be making at this point...but rather if your plans are anywhere in line with ours, an alliance between us would be perfect considering our geographic and political positions.
I see a number of possible opportunities depending on what your stance and time line might be...
LHIX
PZA7 on 24.11. at 22:03
Yeah, I too found it pretty funny that we never established any sort of relations or made any effort to until now.
I find your proposition an interesting one but obviously there are a lot of offers on the table now that we are in this position.
Before we go any further into the possible diplomatic ties our tribes could have, I'd like to know your stance on E=MC2 and DETOX.
PZA
Lord Hawk IX on 25.11. at 02:19
Oh I'm sure you have a bunch of people with their hands out...
stance on E and Detox...you know we're at war with E...check tw stats:
http://www.twstats.com/en33/index.php?page=war_stats
We're rockin em! Before the war started about 3 weeks ago the lifetime stats were 15-50 E...they liked to snipe a lot from us...by the 2nd day we took the lead 60-55...and at the end of the first week we had taken 160...while all they had was some reconquers...now we have a 250 village lead over them...and it's only been 3 weeks...and a week of that was without some key players due to banning and vacation...
I'm not sure they realize it though...cause I'm sure when they post their internal PnP, they post the stats including our academy...which has the Ex KDK players we got...which of course they been taking lots of vils there.
As far as Detox goes, you know we have had an honorable alliance for many months...Although at times it has been difficult...there have been issues, couldn't seem to get lucky there...as soon as one issue was resolved another would pop up. I'd like to continue working with them...but I'm sure that if certain members of their leadership have their way they would be attacking us already.
The way I figure it, there must always be certain factors involved for there to be a successful alliance in this game.
1. solid character of the tribes involved
2. Par level of capability and strength(recommended not required)
3. mutual respect...between tribes and leaders
4. mutual interests
5. mutual benefits
6. and preferably strategic geographical areas of control.
I think we could agree that we both have 1-3 covered. 4 and 5 would largely depend on what direction we would want to go in. 6...6 makes an alliance almost ideal by itself. We have no geographic ties or conflict. We've never had any contact on the map really. So really I think it comes down to mutual interest and benefits of working together. There's a lot of possibilities there.
Lord Hawk IX on 28.11. at 10:50
Hey man...I haven't heard back from you...
PZA7 on 28.11. at 11:55
Hi LH,
As you know, DETOX and LEGION have been allies for a very long time now. We don't see this relationship changing either any time soon.
As you rightly mention, we are not close to each other geographically.
If we shared a large front, like we do with DETOX we would obviously consider this request but considering we aren't we don't really see the need to create an alliance and drag ourselves into your dispute with E.
If you look at it from our point of view, I'm sure you'll understand why we don't want an alliance with 2 other tribes considering there are only 4 major tribes in this world. We believe that the alliance with DETOX will suffice for us to carry out our objectives.
Sorry about the short response but I'm quite rushed for time at the moment.
TTYL.
PZA
Lord Hawk IX on 28.11. at 19:50
Pffffft
I guess I should take it from your swift change in attitude that you'll be coming after us eventually huh?
Cause like you said...there's only 4 major tribes...you're already allied with 1 of em...that leaves us and E...
Drag yourselves into "dispute with E"...are you kidding me???
First of all it's not a dispute. It's a war. The only war worth having in the western hemisphere.
Second of all you trying to tell me you don't have disputes with E?? Ummmm yes you do. Cause you merged Who?...so you inherited that border struggle.
Thirdly where the hell else you gonna go? And don't tell me you're cleaning up...you got nothing but bullshit tribes to sweep out of your way. Whats that gonna keep you busy till Christmas? Then what?
And lastly, I have never asked another tribe to help us in a war. I've never had the need. We're more than capable of doing it ourselves. I have encouraged help it when it was offered and obviously in both allies best interest.
Let me know when you'll be available.
Lord Hawk IX on 30.11. at 19:35
no response?
PZA7 on 01.12. at 01:01
In all honesty, I couldn't be bothered to respond to your little rant.
You have obviously made up your mind already with regards to what you think we're going to do so I'm not going to bother wasting my time trying to explain to you why your pre-conceived ideas are wrong. Make of what you will.
E also contacted us about setting up some sort of diplomacy and after much deliberation, we've decided the best way to deal with both yourselves and E is to not get tangled up in with any diplomatic ties and remain neutral.
I wish you the best of luck with your war.
PZA
Lord Hawk IX on 01.12. at 01:33
PZA,
I asked you if we could have a conversation. You asked me what my diplomatic stance regarding E and Detox was.
And ever since you're dodging answering anything.
If you don't want to have an alliance with us fine. You're allied with Detox. We've only had 1 ally this entire game I get it.
All that really matters is that when someones says they're going to do something they do it...and what happens on the field, it doesn't matter what color the villages on the map are.
It just seemed pretty obvious. The diplomatic situation on this world isn't that complicated. Neither is the strategic situation.
I'm sorry if offended you with my "preconceived" notions.
PZA7 on 01.12. at 01:49
Thanks for your response.
I believe we did have a conversation but you were clearly not satisfied by my response. If you think that I asked you about your relations with them for my own information, it wasn't. I was already aware but wanted some confirmation from your end. It never was nor is my intention to use that information against you.
As I mentioned in that mail, I was rushed for time so I got to the point without beating around the bush. I apologise if it wasn't the type of response you expected.
I completely agree with you when you say that what really matters is doing what you say you're going to do. Unfortunately, the operation on IFY in October didn't create the best of impressions when we all expected you guys to participate but you didn't (without warning or explanation). What's done is done and we've put this behind us now but obviously it factored in our decision to some extent.
However, the main reason was because E opened discussions as well. This, as well as all the other factors made it easier for us to remain neutral with both tribes than get into diplomatic ties.
I hope you understand why we have made this decision.
Regards,
PZA
Lord Hawk IX on 01.12. at 02:00
E makes it real easy to not want to do business with them...which is why I figured you'd be eagerly heading in their direction.
The operation in October against IFY and the impression that guys got from it...well I'll just say that you're all way off. Normally I would say you'd be right. But in this case you guys don't have all the facts...and are pointing the finger at the wrong people.
But there's hardly any use in having a who is to blame for what conversation about old stuff. But trust me on this...you and Detox are wrong to lay the blame for that operations failure on our doorstep.
Yes I contacted you to see if you wanted to coordinate efforts against E. I figured you'll be fighting them soon...maybe not this month or next month but you would. It makes the most sense.
It's either that or you'd be helping Detox fight us. Which I don't see any long term payoff for you in that.
But hey maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you think that would be a good idea.