Drama Wars - The GOATs Awaken

[minicorndog]

Well having read that and explained thoroughly I can see where you're coming from and I now agree Hilary should've given up a couple or more internals. It was quite hard to realise that at the time with all the dramas going on and when you were going on about all these in PM before while im sitting there looking at Contagious having a free full merge.

Let me put this is a way we can all grasp.
Why? lol

First off, merging accounts to get to the top is a crap tactic in the first place. If you're not playing under the pre-conception that person villages don't matter, it's a tribes total villages, than you're already loosing the fight. Personal growth should be an added stat on one cares about like achievements in a world. Sure, I'd love to be rank 1, but does that really matter if my tribe isn't winning? It really shouldn't, and the fact that people merge with the soul intention of growing an account is crazy, and does nothing but waste nobles on villages your tribe already owns. Just think of all the growth you could do without it? Pathetic.


Second, it shouldn't be up to the tribe at the same time to attempt to stifle one players growth in order to expand anothers. It's pointless. The villages should go to who claims them, not who "needs to grow". If I'm a 50k point player, and another guy in my tribe is 120k, I don't expect his growth to stop so he can help me catch him. It's again, counterproductive.


Plain and simple the villages shouldn't be viewed as to what player they belong to, it should be viewed as to what tribe. The fact that Freak fell largely due to the fact that they couldn't understand this basic principle, really shows how pathetic of a tribe they were.



+1 to anyone who stood up against these stupid rules and showed them how crap they are.


-1000 to Freak, all the player skill you claim to have had in the world doesn't buy you skilled leadership. You we're doomed from the start. Just another Blood. Big with no chance.

 

[DeletedUser]

@minicorndog

my issue wasnt really whos gonna get what villas and how much and etc. Im very lenient on that as long as the village stays in the tribe and people grow and help each other. But what i had a problem with was inconsistency of it and things got heated around the time when exGoat and Freak relation was fragile and it only heightened the intensity of it all.

 

[minicorndog]

@minicorndog

my issue wasnt really whos gonna get what villas and how much and etc. Im very lenient on that as long as the village stays in the tribe and people grow and help each other. But what i had a problem with was inconsistency of it and things got heated around the time when exGoat and Freak relation was fragile and it only heightened the intensity of it all.

I guess that's more to an alternative point, if it weren't for the leaders making and attempting to enforce pointless rules that entire side of this could have been avoided.

Not to say I didn't want freak to fall, I did. More or less trying to make a point on a larger issue as to how this rule and rules like these are stupid, pointless, counterproductive, and can be damaging and this just happens to be the perfect example.

 

[DeletedUser100466]

Its not equality when two people are forced to follow the same rules when they are both in very different situations .

Socialism is on same idea as equity and it kills everything like a plague. If someone is small because either they are not putting that much time as others have.

I am not saying any idea is wrong but a guy why who put 15 hour daily to this world should be punishef for his hard work while oethers who just played 1-2 hour daily should be rewarded.


Nothing is equal in real life and everything is relative ,It's a ideologies who died in real world and will die in any organization it will applied too.

 

[Brennygz]

Socialism kills everything like a plague?

Is it socialism that sends third world countries into turmoil? Is it socialism that sends one in three adults in the UK into poverty, and 1 in four children? It's capitalism that does that son. This idea of certain people in society not working hard enough is an idea pushed WAY out of proportion by the mass media, who have fooled you.. Go see the world through a more pure lense, and I say the same to anyone else that agrees with rathisamar.

Good game though isn't it, Tribalwars!!

 

[xancrazy]

Hi, This has been my first world and it has been fun, i gave my account to a friend so its not me playing from now on, this game gets stressful after a while i dont know how you guys do it

"Send Xancrazy support to safeguard his most isolated villages. What do I get in return? Xancrazy reveals all my 'plans' to Baldur, and hangs me out to dry"

This is Hilary's Quote, i have nothing invested in this anymore, i dont actually own the account anymore i gave it away, so i can give you guys the whole truth with as little bias as i can manage :]

story goes:

-in blood, they fighting 4 wars and im basically fighting Freak on my own

-Hilary knows my coplayer so starts using his friends in Freak to give me info on thier OP's their support and even their snipes so i can anti snipe, at one point one of his spies got the sitter for the player i was nobling (spawhawk) , he screenshotted all the villages troops for me and helped me figure out what to target


some hopefully valid proof:
https://i.gyazo.com/f1cd1a6213b32697c9a009360544d228.png support on village
https://i.gyazo.com/35329402bfe34b10a13c667266d5eedf.png support on village
https://i.gyazo.com/2415d6f4b65f41e13f98f7a051a46103.png all spawhawks troops from sitter
https://i.gyazo.com/21afdcb762bed53d7828c8c12a1fe83c.png all incomings from sitter


-Golden One got sniped but thanks to this info a friendly player nearby landed an anti snipe (some random player nearby no one relevent or in a tribe that was in the war but hey if you see this mr anonymous ty for the help :d)

-He told me about the OP on 3 of my villages, i stacked them all using Blood but still lost a village and almost all my support, Blood sent more but i was told they were going to OP all my my villages (by Hilary who i trusted)
https://i.gyazo.com/517102b3c8f5e3b026682d07d238895e.png noble claims on the vils in the op

-Left Blood because i cba fighting the losing fight, at the time it was basically me vs Freak and Hilary told me that Angel of Fire had been telling Sinful Angel that he had an OP planned and didnt care if i lost all my villages. (after praising me through internal mail and telling me any help i needed would be granted (then not reading any of my responding mail asking for help for the next 48 hours)


-Since my duke didnt care about me i left Blood (i was tempted to leave Blood already because Angel Of Fire is abit of a hothead but had no real valid reason to leave so i tried to rally with them and carry the war) , Hilary gave me an invite to YASSS which i assumed meant Freak would back off

-Hilary told me YASSS had no affiliation with Freak and the OP on my head was still active, i said i wanted to join Freak temporarily to save myself short term then join Hilary because he had helped me so i owed him one, he replied with this:
http://prntscr.com/8ze4xj

-Its either a threat or a warning but we were friends and i was literally in complete allegiance to him when he typed that out.

-I didnt need to tell Baldur any of Hilary's plans to get into Freak, and i didnt, Baldur knew Hilary had spies and knew Hilary was going to try to get them to leave to join him, he told me so himself and all i did was not deny it, maybe thats enough to be considered giving away all his secrets and if so then my mistake lol.
-I showed Baldur the threat, i told him it was because i said to Hilary that i would join Freak till the OP stops then rejoin YASSS, and i showed him this which was how Hilary reacted to me telling him i was joining Freak but still wanted to be friends.
http://prntscr.com/8yac9n

-Next day Hilary joins Freak at about 14:00, then leaves Freak at 21:00 and about 8 more leave with him.

-Im a traitor and not to be trusted and he wants to take my vils.

I think the guy who i gave my account to is giving Hilary 4 vils because 4 are named Sparks, dont know for sure though, what i do know is that Hilary sent a nobletrain at one of my vils and i sent 1.5k HC to snipe it from a random village in my core.

Anyway im happy with how i did, i grew faster and was stronger than plenty of veterans, mostly on intuition and math. I have to say though, i dont like the idea of noble trains, when i took my vils i just sent a noble in a nuke from 4 different villages, and seperated them by a few minutes so i could withdraw incase of prenobles, if Hilary had done that to me he wouldve taken the village easily, especially since my coplayer didnt turn up and i had the noble train tagged as swords, he didnt send any fake trains thank god.
He says he has won more worlds than any player in Freak combined but plays a little bit sloppy, oh well maybe it was his coplayer who sent the train and not him, anyway this game is pretty stressful but thanks for the fun i might play over summer after my course finishes with some coplayers who perhaps can do the PnP for me because im not very good at it

p.s, im a new player try not to hate some of us arent as good as others at dealing with internet abuse ^^

edit-

Freak is crumbling. Sinful Angel posted a personal comment on the externals bashing Freak and was instantaneously kicked by Baldur. Many were unhappy with this, alongside the xancrazy situation and so left Freak.

everyone who lost a nuke was given a free village as payment, 1 nuke for a free 8k village.

"Baldur recruited xancrazy to 'spite' me in all honesty. The xancrazy OP was already in full swing - yet Baldur cancels it which outraged some players who had lost nukes hitting their targets. He knew that xancrazy was inexperienced and disloyal yet he went ahead and recruited him from blood - even though Greg had promised that no one in blood would be recruited......."

The xancrazy OP had started on the southern villages, and as part of the invite to Freak i agreed to give them all away in good faith, i skyped with the players who lost nukes and they were all really i happy i was giving them a free village instead of defending it, everybody won. Not to mention the fact that Hilary had sent lots of support to those villages to make sure if i hadnt joined Freak the op in the south wouldve failed, so Hilary was indirectly fighting those who had 'lost nukes', dont think he cares about them.
Other than that the OP wasnt in full swing, it hadnt started apart from those 3 vils, and all 3 were given away for free as a courtesy, something i was told i didnt have to do, Baldur said he would appreciate it if i gave them away and i did.
Ive always been loyal to friends, even though i wanted to leave Blood for a while i didnt until the duke betrayed me, its just a moral standard.

TL;DR There are a lot of small white lies coated with bias exaggerations of the events that took place throughout the first post, "I stay loyal to my friends" no you dont, you threaten them when they aren't doing what you want, then when they do it anyway you tell them you dont respect them anymore stop communicating with them all together lie about them on externals and send poorly executed noble trains at them...
fortunately i haven't had to lie to anyone yet. Call me out on anything, show screenshots of anything ive written and ask for an explanation and context, i never deceived anyone or made promises i wouldnt keep.
Hilary is just a manipulative liar.

 

[DeletedUser116125]

Socialism is on same idea as equity and it kills everything like a plague. If someone is small because either they are not putting that much time as others have.

I am not saying any idea is wrong but a guy why who put 15 hour daily to this world should be punishef for his hard work while oethers who just played 1-2 hour daily should be rewarded.


Nothing is equal in real life and everything is relative ,It's a ideologies who died in real world and will die in any organization it will applied too.

So you would rather want a 200k account grow to 240k then a strong player on a 40k account grow to 80k and now they are kinda back in the game. If the reason for small growth is inactivity they will get booted and force internaled. If its other reasons like bonfire etc. Then we will help them on their feet and thats how tribes should work instead of just internalling and recruiting new people.
No one betrayed no one left behind unless they did not follow orders or where inactive. Is how we worked

 

[minicorndog]

So you would rather want a 200k account grow to 240k then a strong player on a 40k account grow to 80k and now they are kinda back in the game. If the reason for small growth is inactivity they will get booted and force internaled. If its other reasons like bonfire etc. Then we will help them on their feet and thats how tribes should work instead of just internalling and recruiting new people.
No one betrayed no one left behind unless they did not follow orders or where inactive. Is how we worked

It's a pointless concept. If I have one guy with an 8k village and one guy with two 8k villages working together, that's three 8k village. You keep thinking of it like the two are separate, so we need to help the one get to the other, but that's not the case. As long as one grows, both grow. That's a tribe.

 

[Deleted User - 10618707]

What I got from baldur's posts

'Well I chose to gift a player that has been inactive for much of the world, because he needed to be gifted for his inactivity, while I'm not for one account getting huge off of internals perpetually, your logic behind your rules and discretion is fallible. You should simply have one set marker for villages that go to the tribe, this way no one can bitch about anything.

 

[DeletedUser116125]

What I got from baldur's posts

'Well I chose to gift a player that has been inactive for much of the world, because he needed to be gifted for his inactivity, while I'm not for one account getting huge off of internals perpetually, your logic behind your rules and discretion is fallible. You should simply have one set marker for villages that go to the tribe, this way no one can bitch about anything.

Eled had been away and sat for most of the world but is a great player that i would like to get back into the game since his return. There is a difference in that and a person being inactive.

 

[DeletedUser]

Divvying up internals is tough; no matter what you do, someone is going to be pissed off that they didn't get one, or Bob over there got 2, or whatever.

I have to semi-agree with Baldur; the biggest player in the tribe by a mile most likely doesn't need a freebie (unless he somehow lost every nuke he had and all of his defense helping out the tribe, but that's pretty unlikely). But the guy who still has 2 villages, and doesn't participate, or cba to interact on skype? Yeah, not thinking he really deserves a freebie either. He probably needs to be dropped and force nobled. (As an aside, why are dukes sometimes so loathe to kick people who aren't participating?)

It's all those middle folk who should get a leg up, IMHO. The one who pre-nobled for a tribemate and lost his o or his nobles. The ones who always participate in ops, but luck doesn't go their way. They have the desire, they have the commitment, they just haven't been able to capitalize on it. The backline player who would like to jump to the front, free villages are a great way to do that.

 

[DeletedUser]

Divvying up internals is tough; no matter what you do, someone is going to be pissed off that they didn't get one, or Bob over there got 2, or whatever.

I have to semi-agree with Baldur; the biggest player in the tribe by a mile most likely doesn't need a freebie (unless he somehow lost every nuke he had and all of his defense helping out the tribe, but that's pretty unlikely). But the guy who still has 2 villages, and doesn't participate, or cba to interact on skype? Yeah, not thinking he really deserves a freebie either. He probably needs to be dropped and force nobled. (As an aside, why are dukes sometimes so loathe to kick people who aren't participating?)

It's all those middle folk who should get a leg up, IMHO. The one who pre-nobled for a tribemate and lost his o or his nobles. The ones who always participate in ops, but luck doesn't go their way. They have the desire, they have the commitment, they just haven't been able to capitalize on it. The backline player who would like to jump to the front, free villages are a great way to do that.

I agree with you, mostly. One of the issues, in this case, was people expected Baldur to explain, in great detail, why he made decisions the way he did. Anyone who's run a tribe knows, there's not enough time in the day to explain to your tribe EVERYTHING that lead up to the decision they don't agree with.

I feel bad for Baldur, he was left in a crap situation by his duke, did his best running the tribe but was cursed with WHINY recruits. I've seen players like Hillary Duff on EVERY WORLD, they're merge whores, they won't make it past mid game. Once the going gets tough and they have no more internals and can't talk people into merging, they'll quit.

My prediction for GOAT: once most accounts get big enough, they'll merge top 25% of tribe into a nearby tribe with better leadership and eat their ex tribemates. I've seen it too many times, it's always the same. Predictable.

 

[DeletedUser]

+1
Also;
I told you so.

 

[DeletedUser112461]

I've seen players like Hillary Duff on EVERY WORLD, they're merge whores, they won't make it past mid game. Once the going gets tough and they have no more internals and can't talk people into merging, they'll quit.

[video=youtube;G9z3xoOVbSU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9z3xoOVbSU[/video]

 

[Sinful Angel]

Xancrazy I was never told by Angel Of Fire anything about you. I think you've been lied to honestly.

 

[DeletedUser]

Eled had been away and sat for most of the world but is a great player that i would like to get back into the game since his return. There is a difference in that and a person being inactive.

Then why not have him coplay another account and give the villages to others. It doesn't have to be HD, but what about moving a southern member to the nothern frontline instead? You really think giving a player with 4 villages, 2 more, is gonna make him "get back in the game" and be able to compete with players around 10+ already? He'd be more of an asset co-playing a top account that has a gap.

 

[DeletedUser116125]

Divvying up internals is tough; no matter what you do, someone is going to be pissed off that they didn't get one, or Bob over there got 2, or whatever.

Agreed but some tribes with good leaders that people trust can do it without pissing anyone off. I have not seen players leave and plan to backstab their own tribe over 2 villages though :O

I have to semi-agree with Baldur; the biggest player in the tribe by a mile most likely doesn't need a freebie (unless he somehow lost every nuke he had and all of his defense helping out the tribe, but that's pretty unlikely). But the guy who still has 2 villages, and doesn't participate, or cba to interact on skype? Yeah, not thinking he really deserves a freebie either. He probably needs to be dropped and force nobled. (As an aside, why are dukes sometimes so loathe to kick people who aren't participating?)

It's all those middle folk who should get a leg up, IMHO. The one who pre-nobled for a tribemate and lost his o or his nobles. The ones who always participate in ops, but luck doesn't go their way. They have the desire, they have the commitment, they just haven't been able to capitalize on it. The backline player who would like to jump to the front, free villages are a great way to do that.

I also Agree for the most part the super small players have been inactive and should not get internals ( at this stage ). The middle folk should but eled was inbetween the 2 groups but had been a sat account for most of the world and was just about to arrive back to full activity and I know he is a good player and i would rather try and get him back into the game so he can do his things then hillary getting 2 extra vilages pretty obvious to get the tribe the furthest ahead.
But other then that i agree on the matter of Middle folk most of the time

Then why not have him coplay another account and give the villages to others. It doesn't have to be HD, but what about moving a southern member to the nothern frontline instead? You really think giving a player with 4 villages, 2 more, is gonna make him "get back in the game" and be able to compete with players around 10+ already? He'd be more of an asset co-playing a top account that has a gap.

Some players only want to play under their name. And yes it would help him get back into the game seeing that the local blood players where also on 6 villages. He is increasing in size by a whopping 50% If he had 4 villages and took 2,
Also if he had 2 O and 2 D and made both the new ones O he would Double his nuke count with relative ease instead of 15 nuke Hillary getting 17 that in the grand scheme of things doesn't really matter. Also i know eled would use his nukes for the tribe but seeing how Jake acts in the face of internals why should I count on him nuking for someone

 

[darkx]

Nice posts to all of you who put so much thought and effort into this thread. So many good points, I actually took the time to read every word this time. Hoping to see a lot more intelligent or funny posts soon.

#letsmaketheexternalsfunagain

 

[xancrazy]

Xancrazy I was never told by Angel Of Fire anything about you. I think you've been lied to honestly.

Then we know Hilary Duff lies to his 'friends' for his own benefit lol, still AoF did nothing to help me so it was believable. Either i was right to leave or Hilary Duff is a liar.

 

[DeletedUser112461]

Then we know Hilary Duff lies to his 'friends' for his own benefit lol

Either i was right to leave or Hilary Duff is a liar.

Hilary is just a manipulative liar.